Bloodied hog carcass dumped outside Oklahoma Islamic center

No, that's not what I meant, but you know that already.

 

Just trying to keep the discussion oriented on the facts.

 

Really? You're keeping the discussion oriented on the facts by twisting my words into something you know I didn't mean? You seem to have a very odd understanding of the word "truth."

The fact is that you personally don't do (*)(*)(*)(*) to stop ISIS, but everyday Muslims are dying to keep them distracted enough to commit any truly serious act of terror in our country. I don't know for sure, obviously, but the way you write it seems like the only thing you appreciate about that is that there's one more dead Muslim in the world (correct me if I'm wrong). I don't see a lot of difference between someone like you and some Muslim who, while never engaging in terrorism him- or herself, still supports Islamic terrorism due to a mistaken belief that all Americans are evil.

 

Yes, when you drift too far from reality, I nudge the discussion back to the topic.

You keep making assumptions about my background, a background which you know absolutely nothing about. Clearly you have nothing to refute my arguments and in typical muslim terrorist apologist fashion are trying to attack the messenger in hopes of ignoring the factual message.

 

I have a good mind for these things.

Sure I did. Remember those links? You actually never refuted that argument. You still haven't shown that my links were false. Placing your hands over your ears and crying, "Lalalalalalalalalala...." is not a refutation.

By the way, you got a little Dorito dust on your ear.


No, the other ear.

 

Lets run that experiment. If you are so good, tell me my background.

 

Okay....

 

Well America is rather evil. And I see little to absolutely no empathy of Americans what the government they voted in has done in their name. I mean... the US government lied about the WMD threat of Iraq. Hence they started a war there, to remove the government, the army, policy and the entire justice department. The US did on purpose create a total chaos in that country and in ISIS was born in that anarchy. ISIS branched out to Syria. Hence Turkey, Jordan and the EU are stuck with ... what is it... 10 MILLION refugees and the deaths of 100.000's and 100.000's of innocent civilians deaths. It just simply is like that the US is responsible for all of this.

Other example: The US went to war in Afghanistan against Al Qaida. Now fair dues. That thing was over in like a week. The other 10 years the US was there they just raped the country to replace it's government with an other. They just raped it. How would you like it, when you're poor as f, and some foreign country blows up the little things you have ... 10 years on end. For what? To survey the country to see what natural resources they had (The US army really did this) But in the end... it was to give it all up. All for nothing! People are crying their eyes out over freaking Alleppo. That's totally nothing what the US did to the Afghans.

Ohh Assad that murdering thug throwing fuel bombs on civilians.
Right. The US dropped napalm on civilians in Vietnam.
The Americans honors those murdering baby killing thugs anually.
Do Americans think about their victims? Well it's never, now is it?


You don't need to support ISIS to have a view like that.

 

I know what you're saying, but I still think it a mistake to view every American as evil. The pressure against the government to stop in Vietnam, Afghanistan, Iraq was huge. To sit there and blame every American for all this, when it's well-known throughout the world, that large and significant numbers of Americans fought hard to stop those wars, is very unfair.

I don't know; maybe no one lets them see this side of America just as our media often won't let us see the side of Islam that refuses to endorse terrorism. I think about the victims, but I'll admit, I often feel personally powerless to do anything. The problem is so complex, it's to figure out where to begin.

 

Oh pff. Yeah well. Them Americans voted in Trump who made his comments about all muslims trying to escape the massacres ISIS commits. Yeah sure.. you can't view every American as evil. But you can view a heck of a lot of Americans like that. I wouldn't know why you couldn't not view the fast majority of Americans like that. I mean. I mentioned quiet a lot of atrocities, and you know,... they are all letting it happen again and again.

It's hardly there to begin with.

Yeah well. You know. If they did that, it probably would be bad for their ratings, because the majority doesnt want to see that. Lower rating means less income. But it's painfully obvious that the US just flies a bit around in airplanes. The actual combat to get those ISIS terrorists... thats done by only muslims. They go from city to city, house by house, room by room spilling their lives to free those places from ISIS. That Amerians don't give them any credit for it,... well lets be honest. The US got huge racial issues with all that BLM and people offended by BLM / pro confed flag. It was a basically an apartheid state till 1968! Empathy for muslims won't be part of their program. Hence they don't watch it in the media. Hence it's not mentioned by the media.

 

Again, we're talking about an election in which only about half of Americans actually participated. Of those who did, most of them did not choose Trump by the tune of nearly 3 million votes. The popular vote went to Clinton, and that's something to consider if we're judging Americans based on election results.

Well, I don't and can't speak for all Americans, but I've just been giving them credit for the last couple of pages on this thread. I understand your concern; I feel it personally. I'm a little confused, though, about why you've chosen me for the lecture. I feel there are others here who need to hear this far more than I do... at least, I think; or are you looking for a bit of support during a time when you can't see a positive outcome for everything that's happened here over the last month?

I won't be held accountable for the mistakes my country made before I was born, and I know I'm going to get a lot of (*)(*)(*)(*) for this (because it's not among any acceptable PC thought patterns), but African-Americans are being far too sensitive about our nation's history and asking for far too much to make up for it. They want every White American still today to continue to feel personally guilty and responsible for the racism in the past and the damage it caused. They want to punish White people, and to be honest, I can understand that feeling, but it's still shallow and pointless, and works only to maintain animosity between the races. I'm sorry; I'll work with them to help them undo and overcome this damage, but I'm not going to take blame for it. Once they've gotten all this anger out, perhaps we can finally begin to heal as a nation in regards to racial relations.

 

Still 62 million people voted on Trump. That is rather substantial. And again, I mentioned quiet a lot of atrocities the US has been part of. And I can only see that the bulk of the population doesn't give a damn about it all. Cmon. The US army commited genoicde in some Vietnamese town, by executing women children, the lot. Just 1 person was given 3 years of house arrest on that. And his house was a massive militairy base with everything your heart could desire. Not to mention they napalm bombed town after town. Far worse than Assad is doing now. Are you honestly going to say, yeah... when your average joe the plumber sees a veteran they wonder... how much did he contribute to those war crimes? Get real. It hurts their national pride way to much that making a dent in that is just not part of their DNA. And do I sense you having a problem like that again? Seems like you admit to this, but struggeling all the way.

It's not really about that. I was triggered by "I don't see a lot of difference between someone like you and some Muslim who, while never engaging in terrorism him- or herself, still supports Islamic terrorism due to a mistaken belief that all Americans are evil." Which is actually funny. I usually don't read all the way to the last part of somebodies argument.

And well. Not all Americans are evil. But good grieve. America as a country has done some utterly nasty things, and the population as a whole... a heck of a lot of people support it, than there is a fast group that doesn't give a f that their own government did that, and some minority has a problem with it.... but that problem gets to be as good as non existent when the weeks go by. And you really do not need to be some terrorism supporting religious lunatic to see it like that. It's just the crued reality of it IMHO.

Why not? German taxpayers untill a view years ago paid they WWII debt to Jews through taxes.

The US was an apartheid nation till like 1968 or something. The black community on average as a whole was pushed in to poverty to favour the arian and jewish race. That wasn't some ancient time. Those were the days that Donald Trump and Hillary Clinton were like in their 20's. That generation profited from it directly. And their headstart in life, as in being more richer by far is being used to pay for better education for their own children, used to pay for better medical treatments, better housing, their social networks are open for their own children etc etc etc. So there is something to say about the guilt of the white population of today, where the entire babyboom generation is indeed guilty, and that their children profitted from it directly. And as far as I can see on average,... that's mostly countered with the argument of: yeah well slavery is 100's of years ago, get over it... to yeah well what's done is done, get over it. The will to make it right at an expense of theirs, is just absolutely not there. Positive discrimination,... good lord,... that's a touchy subject for white Americans.

 

All right. I've been on this site long enough to know not to get wrapped up in these sort of discussions. They always turn circular in end, and I'm face with the stinging realization that I've only wasted a ton of time over the course of several days--not interested in that anymore...

So philosophically, fine, America sucks, and it's our own fault for it. I'll concede that point over to you in the name of moving on. Hindsight can be a blessing, but I prefer moving quickly through it. When we're done looking backwards and (*)(*)(*)(*)(*)ing, we can begin to look forward and planning. So, practically speaking, what's the strategy going forward? What would you like us to do? Shall we just back off? There's nothing I'd like to do more, and I'd do it for you if I could get others to listen to me.

If I were in charge, I'd pull all our forces out of the ME, open up our own oil fields so we no longer need to depend on oil from a culture that is so polarly-opposite of our own, that perhaps we will never be able to get along. So we get out, and rely on our own oil while we research and develop alternative energies so that, when we run out of our own oil, we won't need to go crawling back to the ME. I think that would go a huge way in putting end to the tragedies caused in our name. it's be a start at least.

But again, I don't really have a lot of pull over here, personally, so I can't make any promises.

Well, if the Germans disagree with me, that's their choice. Even if they want to pay out to the Jews for all eternity, I still don't see why I should have to also against my will. Frankly, There's probably still significant numbers of Germans alive today who were personally responsible for the cruelty against Jews, so maybe they should still feel guilty.

And if you want to find an American to did personally partake in owning / abusing slaves, or even Americans who were personally responsible for the Jim Crow abuses, which probably wouldn't be that hard to do, make them pay out. (*)(*)(*)(*), I'll be there right along side of you taking his (*)(*)(*)(*) and handing it off to you. We can take all his (*)(*)(*)(*) and leave on the side of the road as a bum if you prefer. I'm game.

Well, you can take your stereotypes and shove up your ass, especially after all the prejudice you've put on display over the last couple of posts. You think you know me and where I've been and what I'm responsible for? I grew up in poor neighborhood, right alongside the Ramapo Mountain People. You talk to me like I grew up in an Ivory Tower while I was actually living right along with all the people you seem to think had a whole lot harder time than I had. Well, at least those folks know not to judge a person by the color of their skin. They never gave anybody any trouble if they were out there making a difference alongside of them.

Of course racism still exists in the US, but let's analyze the modern African-American response to racism. Any example of racism, just one guy making it, and tens of thousands of AA will flood out into the streets to riot and loot... LOOT... That is not civil disobedience; that is not standing up to a unequal system. That is just criminals looking to get for themselves. They burn their own neighborhoods to the ground, and rob their own neighbors--their own people. They make conditions worse for themselves, and then blame it on the evil white race. Pffft... and you want to talk about people turning a blind eye? Oh my God! Even those who don't partake in such stupidity, they won't stop it; they won't even condemn it. They just turn their heads to it while their own neighborhoods burn. And for what? All in the name of racial loyalty.

 

Again... I was only triggered by "I don't see a lot of difference between someone like you and some Muslim who, while never engaging in terrorism him- or herself, still supports Islamic terrorism due to a mistaken belief that all Americans are evil." And showed you really can be even the opposite of an supporter of Islamic terrorism and still think America is rather evil. I gave a couple examples, and you know. You could have just replied. I understand your point and indeed it can be like that. And you know... that's that.

Not eternity. The German government stole a certain amount, and they repay it. But it's of course the taxpayers who do that. And I think they've repayed it. So that's that.

Because on average the white babyboom generation profited from it directly, and their profit has been invested in the next generation.

I really do not care about peoples alleged personal stories.

It's not a stereotype to discuss the culture of a specific people as it is. I've put in plenty of nuances. But to focus on some individual and pretend that is how a big group of population behaves is just incorrect. Hence, no personal stories.

It hardly ever happened before that entire BLM movement. You can blame BLM all you want for it. But BLM is more of a symbol of that the black community just had enough of it. They just had it. And all kinds of data shows that racism has been institutionalized all over the place. Even in the heart of the justice department where black potential jury members are let go 3 times as often compared to white people.

All we get to see are a bunch of white American whiners that it aint so.
The hell it is. lol. The facts show it.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6mSMJ3Su9UA
^^
25 years ago. BLM could have made it today.
It has been going for so long.... ppl just had enough of it.

 

Well, actually, no, that wasn't just that. In fact, I wrote another 2 paragraphs more of that, but you just edited it out.

That was a hypothetical.

Oh? Where was my share of these profits? I don't recall having received a check.

I'd imagine you wouldn't--probably make it too difficult to maintain all these (*)(*)(*)(*)ing stereotypes.

Your logic cuts both ways, kid.

Wait... what? This type of reaction has been happening all my life! Bull(*)(*)(*)(*) it hardly ever happened!

I didn't blame BLM. I don't have a problem with the BLM.

I never said it ain't so. In fact, I acknowledged it (the exact opposite of what you're accusing me), but you did blow right past my example of black institutionalized racism in this country without a word. There are many Black people turning a blind eye to the criminals looting their stores, burning their neighborhoods, because of some misguided racial loyalty and because they can blame it on the evil white man! Black gangs intimidating their own people, enslaving their own race! You just edited it out of my post like it was never even there.

Damn, and I used to think you were all right.

 

Just responding to you ever so admitting to it, but struggling all the way.

I do not care about your alleged personal situation.
It's not as if I mention my personal background, my race, my religion or my nationality.
I do not, because it's absolutely irrelevant.
And I thought you were here too to keep the discussion to the core or the issue.

It doesn't. An individual case doesn't mean a thing for the masses.
And you can leave out the derogatory words before you start calling me boy.

That protest marches end with violence is rather typical of any protest, imho.
But I do also think racially motives protest marches are on a sharp increase these days.

I never wrote you denied it. I only put forth that racism is wide spread in the US, even in the heart of the justice department. And they are fed up of it. And so welcome to a freaking cultural revolution that if you refuse to bend for it, they are going to break for it. Apartheid ended in 1968 or something. And even that is just rather really really late to start having equal rights "officially", not to mention unofficially they still don't have them. And yeah... who to blame? White guilt here it is.... since you can not pin it on somebody else.

Oh how is this relevant? Tell me.
Is this "the excuse" why racism is rightfully institutionalized?
It's ridiculous. It adds nothing. It's just you releasing some frustration.
I'm not interested in it.

 

You're going to take offense over the word "kid"? (*)(*)(*)(*)ing Christ! Stop acting like a kid then--editing out half my posts and then accusing me of saying things I never said.

No, mentioning the institutionalized racism isn't an excuse for all racism. It was proving the point that racism is going on on all sides of the issue, and the problem isn't ever going away until BOTH sides deal with the racism coming out of their side. See, you're still stuck on the whole punishment step. You want people to suffer over this. That's the knee-jerk reaction--some might call it the first step. Maybe your not mature enough to get what I'm saying. It seems your stuck on step one, while I'm trying to get everybody over the next step.

But these kids are so (*)(*)(*)(*)ing sensitive these days, you can't even maintain a conversation anymore.

 

Like I said, of course you don't. You can't. You'd have no argument if you took into account personal situations. My argument is actually founded on personal situations. I actually take the time to sit and listen to people and their troubles.

 

Both sides?
When a fast majority discriminates a minority, and that minority does it the other way around,.. than the impact that what the minority does is hardly worth mentioning.

Why not? The US only ended it's apartheid rule in 1968 or something. Seems way too many acknowledge they profited fully from it, but refuse to undo the justice and just flip of people when the topic is at hand. And even today, when racism is still institutionalized it's all "lets not punish anybody over this". You're going like that. I fail to see why not.

Yes. Let the personal attacks happen.

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Your personal situation has nothing to do with the average situation of an entire group of people. Hence it is irrelevant,

 

Yeah... keep up the good fight--replacing racism with your own brand of approved stereotypes and bigotry.

No thanks. I know better ways.

 

Rationalizing discrimination and then discriminating someone in the same post.. Impressive!

 

How many Muslims were injured or killed from this incident?

 

They didn't do it to favor us hard working Americans. Their plan is going well. All they need now is another million or so implants and the whole thing begins to unravel.

 

You're sitting here rationalizing and advocating for LOOTING and rioting, and you ask me why not? You're robbing people and destroying homes in the name of punishment for past crimes? That's some very personal punishment, but you refuse to even listen to their personal stories?

And what's so horrifying ironic is that you wreck places largely owned by African-Americans and you rob places largely owned by Asians and other similar minorities. You're (*)(*)(*)(*)ing either punishing yourselves or you're screwing over a whole other (*)(*)(*)(*)ing demographic of people who aren't (*)(*)(*)(*)ing bothering anybody!

You ask, why not? I ask, what the (*)(*)(*)(*) is wrong with you!?

Hey, babies cry! Sometimes the truth is personal.

Punishment is an immature and simplistic response to negative behavior. Therefore, advocating for it makes one immature. Prove me wrong.

When you're done with your silly punishments, let me know, and we can start working together finally.

 

I did not. I dont know anything about that poster.