Boehner: Republicans won't repeal and replace Obamacare

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  1. ButterBalls

    ButterBalls Well-Known Member

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    Logically, he knew them just as well when the Left considered him just another republican liar and didn't have the emotional stability to be house leader, so why all of sudden is he the sane voice of the GOP and what he says is believable to the Libby's ;) Clearly the left will unwittingly gravitate towards and even orbit a Republican if they are willing to barf up the same left wing rhetoric the left enjoy hearing ;)
     
  2. The Mello Guy

    The Mello Guy Well-Known Member

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    I don't see his motivation to lie. If there's a compelling reason he'd lie I'll listen.
     
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    dadoalex Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    No.

    A guy gets shot and robbed. He's bleeding out and unconscious when he arrives at the ER. He's got top notch insurance but all you've done is guarantee his death because he couldn't produce a card.

    Try this:
    Allow parents to keep their kids on their policies past age 26 for, say, an extra $75 per month
    For consumers under 35 refund 1/2 of their insurance payments as a refundable tax credit
    Tighten the exemptions on the mandate

    Carrots and sticks. Encourage more young people to join and pay in for services they rarely use while making the fine for failing to join more punitive.
     
  4. ButterBalls

    ButterBalls Well-Known Member

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    Well like the left claimed, he is mental unfit, so that could be it. In any case, challenged or not, he has finally reached a plateau where the left can finally relate and he has made a few new friends and love and friendship has medicinal value too, good for Johnny and good for the left!
     
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    ButterBalls Well-Known Member

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    That's just sad to read :( Personally if you're 26 and you're still dependent on your Mommy and Daddy I think no insurance would be an acceptable addition to Natural Selection!
     
  6. katzgar

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    after 8 years of republican obstructionism your post is just plain laughable.
     
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    vman12 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Congress has blocked the Democrat agenda because Americans don't want it.

    The proof is in democrats losing seats at all levels of government since Obama was elected.
     
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    dadoalex Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Many young people whether they're dependent on their parents or not choose to forgo coverage because they do no see a cost benefit relationship. They consider themselves indestructible and don't think they need the insurance. The idea is to drag them into the system where their contributions will help smooth costs for older, sicker people.

    Perhaps if you'd consider it from a fiduciary perspective rather than your opinion on who does and does not deserve to be punished you might be able to contribute some real thought to the conversation.
     
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    vman12 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    If we stop spending 120 billion a year on illegal aliens we'd have enough to pay for health care.
     
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    ButterBalls Well-Known Member

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    Ah the good old socialist program "Force"!

    One hole in your little story, you stated:

    clearly your not paying attention to your own fix, believe me, it's understandable and not that surprising! Sooooo, lets give this another go shall we? At what point does the older parents/taxpayer reap the benefits of "Dragging" their TWENTY SIX year old around on their DIME? Soooo what makes you think and when will this, as you call them, indestructible young people elect to provide the financial foundation for their parents and older population? Bear in mind that unconstitutional mandates and penalties are going to be the first to go, so you are not going to be able to "FORCE" anyone to purchase anything they don't want to.
     
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    ButterBalls Well-Known Member

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    Hell Bro, work on economics and job growth and maybe work that debt off and add almost a half a trillion back in to the yearly budget! Not saying I'm not behind your suggestion 100% too!
     
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    Wow, this is coming from the guy who tried over 40 House bills to remove the ACA :)
     
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    dadoalex Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Off topic.
     
  14. The Mello Guy

    The Mello Guy Well-Known Member

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    Show votes so they could go home and say they voted to repeal it and claim they'd have replaced it with something awesome (but won't tell you what lol )
     
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    Yeah I was just saying that even if we do nothing else, simply prioritizing our citizens over those who are in the country illegally would solve health care issues.

    - - - Updated - - -

    No it's not, since there are people who want Obamacare to cover illegal aliens.

    Try harder.

    The price of paying for the health care of illegal aliens is one of the biggest expenses.

    It's THE issue.
     
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    dadoalex Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    No one said force. I said "INCENTIVISE."

    I won't argue your inability to read and understand.
     
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    ButterBalls Well-Known Member

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    Really DaDo, really :) I wouldn't question my reading skills when you clearly haven't a clue what you have posted ;)

    Now I'm no literal genius but Drag

    Drag
    often used figuratively
    "She was dragged kicking and screaming into the family business. [=she was forced to join the family business]"

    Feel free to replace Business with healthcare if it makes it more palatable for you! But all that nonsense aside, your still contradicting yourself by claiming one fix is to allow PARENTS to keep their kids on their policy "PAST" the age twenty six! Then you claim

    quite frankly makes no sense, where exactly does their contribution begin and their parents and other older taxpayers END?
     
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    dadoalex Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    OFF TOPIC

    Illegal aliens is not the topic and insuring illegal aliens is not the topic. The topic is repealing Obamacare.
     
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    vman12 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Look, mr. hall monitor, if you don't understand how Obamacare and repealing and replacing Obamacare ties directly into medical care for illegal aliens, then go educate yourself.

    Healthcare for illegal aliens is why health care is failing, and why they need to be excluded from the new health care plans.

    So get a grip please and stop derailing the thread with your ignorant arguments.
     
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    dadoalex Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Ever been "dragged" to the mall by the spouse? "Dragged" to see a bad movie by some friends? "Dragged" is not "forced" in this context. You do understand the word "context" don't you?

    INCENTIVISE

    As in the insurance companies get $925 in revenue they would not have had in exchange for, on average, less than $200 in services. That's their incentive to support the idea.
    A parent (or a kid with good judgement) sees that $925 per year is a small investment for the peace of mind that comes with buying something they don't have to buy at a fairly steep discount to the market. That's their incentive.
    Uninsured people end up in emergency rooms where their care is the most expensive available and is generally unpaid. That's incentive for providers to participate.

    No one is "forced" to do anything.

    Incentivizing desired behaviors is not forcing.

    Are we clear?

    As for your last question...

    I believe I proposed the expansion to age 35. I'm sure insurers would be able to determine a more precise age but 35 is about the age when people, on average, begin to experience needs for additional medical care. BP meds, glasses, all that getting older stuff.

    Again, 91% of people are already covered by some combination of private insurance, employer provided insurance, Medicare, or Medicaid. If I can bring a significant portion of the remaining younger, healthier into the system by incentivizing their participation then I can reduce overall costs.

    The idea is to make it better. Make it better and you get 100% support from Democrats. Repeal? You are on your own.
     
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    dadoalex Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Illegal aliens is not the topic and healthcare for illegal aliens is not the topic. Language in the ACA specifically forbids and ACA funding being used for illegals so it's not part of the discussion.

    What part of this do you not understand?
     
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    I guess so! After a half a dozen rewrites, a few added statements like incentivizing and new personal meanings for word like drag and walking back blatant contradiction we finally got a meaningful and understanding of what you failed to present to start with.

    I have to say, if this is any indication of how things go with our elected official in Washington I have acquired some insight I would have been better off not knowing!
     
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    vman12 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Like I said, you need to educate yourself.

    Because of Obamacare subsidies, illegal aliens are getting health care.

    California is pushing to have health care for illegal aliens DIRECTLY paid for by Obamacare.

    Please learn a subject before you act like you know more than you do.

    https://www.forbes.com/sites/theapo...law-illegal-immigrants-get-care/#21b9d2792139

    It also directly covers DACA, who are also illegal aliens.
     
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    dadoalex Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Once again...

    Illegal aliens is not the topic and healthcare for illegal aliens is not the topic. Repealing or no the ACA is the topic of the thread.
     
  25. The Mello Guy

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    Exclude them from insurance and they'll go back to clogging up the ER for a cold
     

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