Boeing 737 Max 8 Ethiopia Airlines Crash

The flight recorders examined after the first plane crash gave the reasons for the crash

Who is tracking these problems?

 

Most modern jet fighters are dynamically unstable. No pilot could control them without computers.

 

Apparently some pilots have complained that when they engage the AP the aircraft wants to go nose down. So is the issue with the anti-stall system or the AP? Boeing hasn't been clear about this.

 

Precisely! I think you have identified the heart of the matter.

Complicating things is that the pilot training has ignored the subject entirely.

I'm prejudiced, and I think US pilots are better trained and better pilots than others, so that the unreported incidents in this country have been resolved by good piloting techniques.

 

AFAIK The Max 8 uses the same anti-stall system and AP as the older 737's but is much heavier. The software was not updated to reflect this difference

 

Sure ... the best of the best pilots are all Americans and all the other pilots in the world are worse or worse trained. OMG ... Seriously now?

 

The US pilots were pre-warned after the first crash of the possible malfunction and what to do when malfunction occurs but foreign pilots were not. It was not immediately obvious that the AP triggered the nosedive due to a delay between the two events. And the procedure to get back control of the plane is not simply turning off AP

 

Probably not absolutely, but it tends to be true.

 

They should have re-designed the plane to compensate for the imbalance caused by the newer engines used on the Max planes, instead of devising a system that masks the imbalance (the anti-stall system). At a minimum, they should have some redundancy within the elevator system. This whole thing looks like that scabbed on an engine and patched it with a rigged up elevator. One sensor malfunctions and you're more likely to crash? That's just dumb.

 

Chill dude. The few facts available so far are that several US pilots reported this control issue. That is, they experienced similar effects to what the accident pilots reported. That the US incidents did not result in a crash suggests better actions on the part of the US crews. I have a friend who flies one of the aircraft. Even after Lion Air, he said that the problem COULD be dealt with, and the sketchy information suggests that is true.

I'm not saying foreign pilots are inferior, I'm saying the training was likely insufficient, that's all.

 

Lol ... so may I say the reverse, if a US airline crashes an Airbus, but no European did it, that European pilots are better than Americans because they did not crash Airbus?

 

Based on what? I would say quite the opposite. US pilots get the most modern planes with much technology. Thirds world pilots get planes that are falling to bits with little technology and still manage to fly successfully. And often fly in the worst terain:

 

We agree--the AP disconnect switch has no effect on this phenomenon. It is a separate system from the AP, and is unique to ONLY the Max version of the aircraft.

Boeing will pay heavily for this stupid design, and rightfully so.

But it has been demonstrated, apparently, that several US crews have dealt successfully with the phenomenon.

 

Every airline has it's own safety department and designated instructor pilots. There are schools available for airlines to send their instructor pilots to get training on any aircraft. If pilots are submitting complaints to the safety department regarding a particular aircraft it is up to the safety department to follow up on the complaints and find solutions. This issue is not entirely on Boeing. Boeing would most certainly provide extra training if an airline requested it.

 

OK ... then get informed here ...

https://www.ethiopianairlines.com/eaa

And then according to who monitors the training here, etc.

 

All aircraft must be weighed and balance checked for the center of gravity before being determined airworthy. I think you are getting ahead of the facts that have yet come out on this crash.

 

While basically true, you describe an ideal situation.

In this case, the system failed, and the absence of complete training was a critical factor in the failure.

 

And where are you getting your information from? The cause of the crash has not been determined yet.

 

Pretty pictures on a website don't really inform.

Even after the Lion Air accident the failure in training was mentioned as a factor.

Personally I think it's a stupid design to do what Boeing has done, but at least they could have informed the airlines of the need for special training for this special system. They did not.

 

No, my situation is not the ideal. It's how airlines operate. Airlines are set up this way for a reason, to ensure all pilots are properly trained for the aircraft they are flying and to ensure the safety of the public.

 

Describe it as you see fit, but the cause of the crash will be the same cause as in the Lion Air crash. In short, the failure of the crew to maintain control of the aircraft because of a very modern computer glitch.

 

Primarily talks with military pilots who train foreign students. The general complaint is that they do not have as many flight hours and much general experience when they come into the program. Admittedly, my conversations in this area are not recent, but that was a general complaint. It is my understanding that the Ethiopian pilot would not have been allowed to fly in an American airline because of lack of flight hours.

 

Are you trying to tell me that the airlines never fail or that they are perfect?

 

Yes because they were pre-warned that it could happen but foreign pilots were NOT pre-warned. US pilots were also shown what to do when malfunction occurs, foreign pilots were NOT shown what to do when malfunction occurs.

And I add, how do you know that other foreign pilots did not deal with the phenomenon successfully?

 

I did not send you the link, so you should like homepage pictures ... check their equipment and who supervises the training and further education on Boing aircraft