Border Patrol says detention centers are full — and starts releasing migrants

Before the midterms, Trump and repubs had two years to establish a law that prohibits any illegal from receiving social benefits. We would not have this problem now.

 

No sense in posting facts to him, we all know he's FOS and will literally post everything that been debunked over and over to troll.

 

For the same reason Americans (who are ordinary citizens) could be caught sneaking into Mexico. Its called following the law.

 

My question exactly.

 

That's a deflection and you know it. No matter how many times asked, the question is dodged. You cannot put this 'emergency' on the heads of Dems, no matter how hard you try.

 

Thank you for your honesty.

 

Primarily, our lawmakers and our irrational immigration laws. The situation and culprits in our country are quite similar to your own.

 

As long as the rw identitarians insist that 'captures' include the people who turn themselves into the border portals for amnesty hearings, the numbers will be skewed.

In fact, there is no emergency, as illegal immigration is at historic lows.

 

That's difficult for me to believe. We have a very long history of liberalism (and I am proud of that) but now it's gone overboard insane and I am NOT proud of that. I realize the U.S. is a bit silly ('African-Ameican' title for one example) but we have actually changed Swedish names just because they are slightly similar 'in sound only' to American slurs.

 

So you don't want to discuss what to do NOW but instead deflect to just pointing fingers...............gotcha

 

Obama and the Democrats had 8 years before that.

The question is what do we do NOW???

 

Bluesguy is deflecting, period.

 

Actually, it was you who made me aware of the striking similarities between our countries' irrational immigration systems and policies when you posted the Angry Foreigner's "Welcome to Sweden" video in this forum some time ago. Another striking similarity is how the attempts to discuss and resolve our immigration issues are shouted down by the same empty-headed people who scream "RACISM!" at every turn. It's not just Sweden where everything is racist - here in America, everything is racist, too.

Here's how the typical debate between people who do and don't want a rational immigration system in our country goes - I bet you'll find it familiar:

"We just want our immigration laws respected and enforced."
"YOU'RE A RACIST!"

"We're $20 trillion in debt and we simply don't have the money and resources to take all these folks in."
"YOU'RE A RACIST!"

"They're taking our citizens' jobs and driving down wages."
"YOU'RE A RACIST!"

"Many of them are gang-bangers and criminals."
"YOU'RE A RACIST!"

"You only want them here for your own selfish reasons (harvesting votes, cheap labor, etc.).
"YOU'RE A RACIST!"

It's total madness...

 

Just sand...

 

You have a REALLY good memory!

Yes, it's true.

I think the difference is that our madness is running our country. Your madness is the opposition of your leadership.

Yes, that is exactly how it is here!

 

Once again, a deflection. Our exchange began when I asked why Trump didn't pass the laws/policies in his first two years that would have eliminated this problem now. You have danced every step of the way to avoid answering...and now, you want to accuse me of pointing fingers and deflecting. I'm not freaking out about the 'emergency' - you are. And your president had the solution to this at his fingertips for two years, and chose to do nothing. So direct your outrage in the right direction.

 

Thanks, and thank you for posting that video.

Interesting. Exactly what do you mean by that? I'm not sure if I'm reading you correctly or not.

That seems to be the situation in most Western countries. From your vantage point, do the eastern Europeans have the same problem? I get the impression they're less susceptible to that nonsense, but maybe I'm wrong (?).

 

Just because he had a Republican majority, that does not mean he had Republican support. Any laws to limit social benefits received by illegal immigrants would have been a very hard sell.

He did have a chance for funding for the wall and a fix for DACA, but there were 2 other issues he also wanted (things he campaigned on) that were removed. Trump wanted only 4 things:

• Provide money to build the wall;
  
  
• Establish a path to citizenship for DACA children, or "dreamers;"
  
  
• End the visa lottery program that promotes ethnic diversity of immigrants, and
  
  
• Severely limit family-based immigration - what Trump calls "chain immigration
  

The Democrats would not support any changes to "chain immigration", so the bill was not able to get the 60 votes require. A new bill was introduced with only 2 of the 4 items.....funding for the wall and citizenship for DACA. Trump threatened to veto the bill without the other parts and the bill died.

At the time, I could see why Trump would have threatened to veto the bill, as it did not fix many of the problems we have from illegal immigration. However, in hindsight, I think it would have worked out better if he had supported the bill without the other 2 conditions.

https://www.politifact.com/virginia...ine-mostly-accurate-about-trump-nixing-25-bi/

 

Thanks for that info. But a question remains...why didn't his executive memo regarding 'catch and release' have more teeth?

 

President has his money plus years prior allocations and still the GOP has a bigger mess with the illegals than any previous administration, maybe it's just more than what he can handle.

 

The memo did not change the current illegal immigration policy. All it really did was direct officials to report about steps they are taking end C&R practices.

Unfortunately, when the C&R practices were scaled down, we then got more illegal immigrants detain and separated from their children per other standing policies that have been in place for multiple administrations. And....well.....we saw how well that went over.

So, what "teeth" did you want to see?

 

I honestly don't know - but an executive memo that did nothing seemed to me to be a waste of time.

 

That is pretty much the nature of executive memos.

While I dislike Trump, he is really in a no-win situation on the border.

1. When he follows existing laws/policies of detaining the parents and housing the minor, he is accused to separating families.
2. If he builds more security facilities to house complete families that are crossing our border illegally, there are comparisons to "concentration camps".
3. He might not be able to require those seeking asylum to remain in Mexico. I just heard there is a lawsuit pending stating that practice is in violation of the law.
4. He is being denied funding for improvements to and construction of border wall.
5. The alternative suggestions to the wall are not well thought out. We already have vehicle scanning equipment at port of entries, but the ports are overwhelmed and the scanning is fallible. Technology solutions (camera's, drones, etc) can be destroyed/hacked/bypassed...and would be in short order.

So, now we have people that are not even trying to avoid border patrols as they know, because of a overwhelmed system, they will just be released on the side of the border they want to be on to begin with. We can't send them back easily and are forced to release them for humanitarian reasons.

There is absolutely NOTHING that discourages people from entering our country illegally. This is causing a mass migration where these immigrants are being taken advantage of, raped, and even killed. I can only assume that anybody that believes there is no crisis at our border is either ignorance of the situation down there or bases their opinion on political motivation. They are certainly apathetic towards the immigrant's ordeal and are using them for political pawns.

 

I think we are in agreement that we are both dissatisfied with the liberal view as it stands today and the "You're a racist!" reply to any sensible observation. Well, Trump isn't pushing that agenda - as I understand it - and those who do are against his policies on the issue of immigration. In Sweden it is the government that is running the "You're a racist!" agenda and those of us who are against it are working to support a more sensible government in power.

That's a very interesting question and the lines are becoming ever clearer in the sand. The "Visegrád Group" are EU member state nations against the open border policy that has been dictated by the EU and every member of the Visegrád Group are in the east. Last I looked it consisted of Hungary, Poland, Slovakia, and the Czech Republic. Western nations such as Italy, Austria, and eastern Germany (formally the DDR) are also giving it some consideration but have not yet stepped forward. Just now Hungary (where the town of Visegrád is located) has been stripped of certain voting rights within the EU ..... so things are heating up.

 

Thanks, again, for such an informative post. I think a good use of money would be to beef up personnel in the courts so that people can be processed much quicker.