Breaking: Callous Cops Watch & Do NOTHING As Man Drowns To Death In An Arizona Lake

That should be obvious. No cops = no chance of being caught. With cops = chance of being caught.

 

As I said, replace them with something else. Put those useless bustards to work digging ditches or something.

 

Wait, are you saying the thought of getting caught deters criminals?

Aren't you a right wing guy?

 

No, that is what YOU would do if you were asked to 'serve and protect'. Most cops actually live by that motto.

 

This is the result of the anticop atmosphere. The quality of the average offer will degrade.

Sure, there's no legal obligation for cops to save a citizen. But, there is definitely a moral obligation and an obligation to one's own pride and honor.

 

Yes, and no. It is the thought of getting caught AND the punishment that deters criminals. Its a combination.

No. In my eyes I consider the issue and nothing else. From others points of view I am either right wing or left wing depending on the subject, usually because they can't think beyond those two terms. I'm an Independent in the true sense of the word. I follow neither side and never have. Never will either.

 

GL with that.

 

Would you have jumped in to save that idiot?

 

All you cop haters will be the first ones to pick up the phone and call them if you feel in danger.

 

Why don't you humor us and tell us what you would have them replaced with and how much that might cost?

 

Do you know why lifeguards use a flotation device and a tow rope?

 

Since I can swim? Yes.
I certainly wouldn't have stopped the woman trying to save him.

Hell when I showed up and the ostensible victim on the callout told me to **** off there was no issue and no crime here I would have.

 

Yes, and I think most cops would too.

Isn't that the idea behind tax-payer funded police force? Its not hateful to question cops when their error results in deaths.

 

Perhaps if they had a flotation ring or something. I remember when I was a kid this other kid looked like he was drowning so I swam out in the pool to save him and guess what almost happened to both of us?

 

I am aware of the risk involved, but I would take that risk if I saw someone drowning. Maybe the cop didn't know how to swim. Its a possibility.

Did you know some body armor ARE floatation devices?

 

So then gun laws will work as long as we have cops to enforce them.

 

Investigators. I have no idea how much it would cost, but we'd probably need fewer of them than we have cops right now.

 

Police are neither trained or equipped to perform water rescue in the middle of a lake.

One thing I know police departments have is a very thick policy and procedure manual that covers all of their responsibilities, and I know from experience that water rescue in the middle of a lake, unaided by watercraft, flotation devices or ropes, is not one of them.

The police were no more qualified to rescue that guy than Cenk is, and there is zero chance that Cenk would have jumped in. Zero.

 

This idiot killed himself, how can you hold the police responsible for the stupidity of others?

 

What about the times when you need actual cops? Any plan for that? What do you mean investigators what sort of investigators?

We already have those we call them detectives. They're part of the police force

 

Regular people can get lucky. Also its usually because at the beach there's a higher liklihood that someone who knows they are a powerful swimmer and has a higher chance of a successful rescue. Also they're usually rescuing kids, and its a lot harder for a flailing kid to drown an adult than it is for another adult. Lifeguards have the training necessary to safe drowning people, and most often the people they rescue don't need to be taken very far, and if they do, lifeguards often have floatation devices to help them.

The bottom line is you either don't know F-all about water rescue or you have unreasonable expectations of law enforcement. 911 dispatches the FD or SAR to water rescues, not the police, and that's because the professionals know drowning isn't something law enforcement are typically intended to handle- they lack not only the training, but also the physical fitness requirements and the necessary equipment. If you would like all your local cops to be trained and equipped in water rescue, you should go to city hall meetings and raise it up for a vote. Its not the worst idea ever. Though I imagine you'll get a lot of 'well its not really in the budget' and 'its going to raise our public insurance premiums', so be prepared to argue for some tax hikes as well.

...or I guess you could just keep bitching online about cops not being superheroes if thats what makes you happy.

 

O.K. and Good. Cops should then be used as ornamentation at your local Dunkin' Donuts so they can put a square munchkin into a circular donut hole.

 

O.K. and Good. Cops should then be used as ornamentation at your local Dunkin' Donuts so they can put a square munchkin into a circular donut hole.

 

Not sure I get you're meaning here...

Surely you understand that we live in a society ruled by bureaucracies... cops arent supposed to be rescuing people for the same reason that firefighters arent supposed to be shooting at bank robbers and mail carriers arent supposed to be cleaning up garbage. Its outside of their specialization. Now I'm not saying this system of compartmentalized specialists is the best system. But it is the system that we have allowed to be built, and its not going to be changed by blaming the peons at the bottom of it for doing what they've been trained and ordered to do. If you want cops to be responsible for rescuing people in addition to enforcing the law, thats fine. But its not gonna happen by blaming the cops. They are trained and their policies are dictated by the people we elect to office. Go bitch to them about it and something might actually change.

Suppose instead of a cop, it had been a postal worker refusing to jump into the water to try to save a drowning stranger. Would you have created a thread about 'Callous Postmen Watch & Do NOTHING As Man Drowns To Death In An Arizona Lake' ?

 

You cop haters would really be hating life without the police. It would be total anarchy and no one you can call on the phone except if you had a buddy.

And at the same time you want to largely disarm the civilian population. The cognitive dissonance that it requires to be a progressive is truly mind-boggling