BREAKING: CURRENT EVENT A Majority of Americans DO NOT support gay marriage. WAPO

Or we can listen to science about Human sexuality, rather than your rather dubious record of interpreting what anyone has said.

I am against discrimination and abuse of anyone based upon their race, religion or sexual orientation.

 

I am against promoting sexual fetishes into mainstream values and calling them "normal" thereby. Look what's happening already in California as the gay-snowball rolls downhill. Children are being required by law to emulate a sex-offender against children and to call him "gay hero". So your camp is in direct loggerheads with my camp. Looks like a public debate is in order; wouldn't you say?

Science is behind that fact that artificial sexual orientations of all manner and descriptions are acquired after birth, sometime around puberty and are a result of conditioning: pairing the first few orgasms with [fill in the blank] stimuli. So it is imperative that we pay close attention to what we set as sexual norms in our culture. Monkey see, monkey do. Look at Ancient Greece for the end result of unchecked sexual behaviors with taboos removed.

Human behavior is pretty predictable actually, to those of use who actually study sociology and anthropology. The science behind my assertions is like Mt. Everest. The "science" behind the "born that way" theory is like zit on a mosquito.

 

This is another whole pantheon of irrationality to these factious homophobic arguments.

The programs in California are being used to teach that someone who is a homosexual can have accomplishments just like everyone else - their homosexuality does NOT negate their value as a human being and ability to contribute positively to our society.

To teach that a person who is homosexual has made positive contributions does NOT make it "normal". It simply means people of that orientation are not "demons".

Considering that some percentage of EVERY school class consists of homosexuals, this is a good thing.

Hardly. They are looking for the same powers and rights as other PEOPLE in society. Which they deserve.

Penal codes are about issues of people living with OTHER people and the limitations required to allow us to exist in society.

Your definition of "penal codes" would make it quite legitimate for the law to dictate what we wear at dinner and which fork to use for "normal" behavior. That's the basis for Sharia Law, not US law.

 

Really- because when I am in line at the supermarket, every woman's magazine has on its cover 'new sex moves to keep your man happy' or some such thing. Sexual fetishes are being promoted to heterosexuals all the time. Look at all the women wearing high heels and earrings- yet oddly I don't see you opposing them.

Well in a way- my 'camp' stands for truth- while yours lies.

There is no law which requires any child to emulate anyone- just a pure lie.
Harvey Milk was not a sex offender against children- just a pure lie.
And children are not required to call him a 'gay hero'- read the law itself- again just a pure lie.

So my 'camp' promotes truth and equal treatment in law of all people regardless of their race, religion, or sexual orientation- yours- not so much.

 

Considering that you continually assert that Randy Shilts has said things that he hasn't in order to further your agenda- frankly I doubt there is an actual science book that says any such thing, and I having seen your 'sources' for what you think was happening in Ancient Greece- well frankly you just seem to find any online source which you can misquote to suite your agenda.

There is no science that behind your assertions- your assertions are simply homophobia.

 

Foreplay between people who can theoretically reproduce with each other is sex. Any other type of copulatory behaviors are not sex by definition. Sex evolved and means the acts that attempt to result in male to female insemination, fertilization and offspring. So what gays and lesbians do with each other is not sex. It is more akin to assisted masturbatory behaviors. We do not promote what gays and lesbians do as legitimate sex.

Will they continue to do what they do? Of course. Will we promote that as normal? No, of course not. Because it isn't. Just like smoking cigarettes isn't normal. It used to be; but then we decided we didn't want to promote that to our children. Just as gays are considered quasi-normal now but later we will not be promoting it that way. The word on the street with the youngsters is that "gay is passe"....lol.... Like all weird social experiments its day has come and gone.

 

Well said how a religious RITE,can be the province of government legislation for a nominally democratic government form is beyond me ,Religious Rites are just that ,and never can become democratic rights.

Some of us seem to have forgotten that religion and democracy are sworn enemies.

The truth is a bunch of 'Gay and lesbian" religious nut jobs are attempting to hijack the homosexual equality movement and destroy it,for the intrests of the Churches .being 'Gay Brained ' which is a personal lifestyle choice is not the same as fighting against discrimination based on sexuality .

Marriage is an oppressive religious based institution that is the source of domestic violence and the most heinous crimes against women and children .Wife beating for instance ,incest,domestic slavery ,murder\suicide ,emotional ,sexual ,physical assaults ALL COVERED UP FOR BY MARRIAGE!

And the 'Gay and lesbian brained stupids " want their share of it,nay they DEMAND IT ,only a demented religious brain could want such a thing.

 

Sex happens in the brain ,its an electrical\chemical process ,and hits the pleasure centres so its the same for homosexuals,bisexuals and hetrosexuals.Yep,love is a brain chemical as is sex.

Masturbation is just as much sex as a good bonk ,sure its a lot more interesting with someone else but the reactions in the brain are the same.Its why Sex is not limited to reproduction !

we are all sex junkies ,except for mentally sick people.

hey,humans like opiates ,wether natural or brain produced !

 

Are there more or fewer Americans in favor of smoking than there are in favor of gay marriage?

I see a lot of stinking smokers around. That's self-destructive behavior, and it can even endanger others thanks to the second hand smoke, yet it's legal and few would care to have it made otherwise. Yet here people are still trying to tell us that gays can't get married to one another, despite what a social positive it is, and despite its being a personal issue entirely that harms NO ONE.

 

It harms a democratic system. Government should not be involved in people's private business if their private business does not affect other people.
As far as tobacco government regulates smoking and tobacco sales exactly for a reason that smoking affects whole society.

 

Gays have made their lifestyle a matter of public policy now. Currently there is a promotional gig going on in California where children are mandated to be inducted into considering the compulsive avoidance of the opposite gender for sexual relations [aka "gay" and "lesbian"] "normal". That is grooming the next generation for taboo-removal. Once you remove taboos on behaviors, they expand. So gays are seeking to expand the numbers of gays by grooming. Grooming is also a phenomenon known in pedophiles' access of children. The gay 'hero' taught in schools in California committed sodomy sex crimes against minor boys. Starting to add up? No? There's more...

Just recently a law was passed and is due to be signed by Governor Jerry Brown in California. It seeks to deny counselling and mental health treatment to children who have been molested and who suffer thereby from unwanted homosexual compulsive behavior. Keyword: UNWANTED; by themselves. The new law seeks to insert a political agenda between a doctor and his patient...who may even be suicidal for want to be rid of his compulsive post-molesting 'orientation'...imprinted on him at the time of the assaults against him. Even if the child is desperate and suicidal, the new law instead tells the therapist that his only option is to tell that child that he should embrace his uncontrollable compulsive behaviors as "natural", "good" and "normal"...even if they are a manifestation and daily reminder of the assaults perpetrated against him.

Think the gay agenda is benign? Think again. If you dont' believe me, look up the laws in California yourself... And don't forget to read about the GLBT "hero" there, Harvey Milk in "The Mayor of Castro Street; The Life and Times of Harvey Milk". Will Jerry Sandusky be nominated next? If he comes out gay, probably...

 

what does harvey milk have to do with jerry sandusky? sandusky is a pedophile, while milk was not.

 

Harvey Milk had sex with the drug-addicted, mentally-ill 16 year old minor. It is documented. Age of consent in New York where the sex began was 17. They are most definitely and absolutely related in criminality. I'm pretty sure the prosecutors in the Sandusky trial used their state's legal definition of "minor" when prosecuting Sandusky on all counts.

 

Speculation

No- thats why it is speculation.

 

Which is one guys opinion of their relationship, and that -- in his opinion -- they loved each other is hardly evidence of sex.​

 

One who thinks that is either stupid or naive.

 

One who can prove otherwise... doesn't exist.​

 

it doesn't say milk had sex with mckinley when he was underage. you and sil keep making that up.

 

Sure- why rely on facts, when you can rely upon speculation?

 

She was mad about him, but their relationship was very different from a typical love affair, she said. "It was a very protective relationship from the very beginning," she said. "He was a father to me. He was my mentor."

Elvis was more than a mentor. He controlled her looks, her clothes, her hair, even her makeup, Priscilla said. "I was definitely under a spell of what I thought was love," she explained.

The couple lived together for six years before they married. During those years, Elvis and Priscilla slept together every night, but they never had intercourse, she said. He refused to have sex with her until they wed, she said, because "somewhere, he, along in his past, said that he wanted a virgin."

Yet they were intimate — according to Priscilla, she and Elvis took dozens and dozens of Polaroid pictures acting out their fantasies. She learned to turn him on sexually even though they never had intercourse. She stressed, however, that their playfulness was just that, and was never perverted.

Elvis and Priscilla lived together from the time she was 14 years old- in a sort of 'domestic marriage- you know like Randy Shilts described Milk and McKinley as having.

She says no.

Was Elvis a pedophile?

 

It says they were lovers, that's the same thing.

 

Hmmm whom to believe...you or Merriam Webster?

Definition of LOVER
1a : a person in love; especially : a man in love with a woman b plural : two persons in love with each other
2: an affectionate or benevolent friend
3: devotee
4a : paramour b : a person with whom one has sexual relations