Breaking news - Arab's greatest fear "Sharon" is dead.

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  1. J0NAH

    J0NAH Banned

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    Also dont forget that the bastion of hope that is 'International Law' is nothing more than a set of rules drawn up by Europeans and explicitly for the benefit of Europeans and nobody else.
     
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    There are numerous totalitarian states' and dictatorships throughout the world which rely on the concept of the law of the jungle for their existence if not, by some, their dubious legitimization. That the failing neoliberal socioeconomic and political orthodoxy and capitalist model adhered to by many liberal democracies' of the West is leading us down the road towards this kind of Hobessian nightmare, is rarely, if at all, examined in the media. Many of the failed and failing states in Africa essentially represent the logical trajectory that underpins this kind of 'race to the bottom' ideology.

    On the other hand, we have another model of tyranny - the 'petrol states' of the Arab Gulf peninsula, many of whom have no democracy of any kind and whose populations' are brutally oppressed. But we rarely read or hear about the nature of this oppression in the media, nevermind witness the form this oppression takes. Censorship by omission of this kind is indicative of a so-called free and balanced media which is, in truth, rarely free and balanced.

    Of course, all things are relative and I would be the last person to promote the so-called democratic credentials of my country (the UK) which in reality is little more than an elected dictatorship. This thread happens to be about Israel. So I suggest if you want to discuss other nation states then start a relevant thread.
     
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    I hope that this crap remains accessible indefinitely to your infinite embarrassment. :mrgreen:
     
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    Idont think many americans could point to Israel on a map, so its unlikely they even care who gets their money, as long as its not some 'anti-american' country.
     
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    Invasions can be many things. Effectively a rocket attack from across a border is one kind of invasion.

    1948 Arab–Israeli War (November 1947 - July 1949) - Started as 6 months of civil war between Jewish and Arab militias at the end of the British Mandate of Palestine and turned into a regular war after the declaration of independence of Israel and the intervention of several Arab armies. In its conclusion, a set of agreements were signed between Israel, Egypt, Jordan, Lebanon, and Syria, called the 1949 Armistice Agreements, which established the armistice lines between Israel and its neighbours, also known as the Green Line.

    Reprisal operations (1950s - 1960s) - Military operations carried out by the Israel Defense Forces during the 1950s and 1960s. These actions were in response to constant fedayeen during which Arab guerrillas infiltrated from Syria, Egypt, and Jordan into Israel to carry out attacks against Israeli civilians and soldiers. The policy of the reprisal operations was exceptional due to Israel's declared aim of getting a high 'blood cost' among the enemy side which was believed to be necessary in order to deter them from committing future attacks.

    Six-Day War (June 1967) - Fought between Israel and Arab neighbors Egypt, Jordan, and Syria. The nations of Iraq, Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, Algeria, and others also contributed troops and arms to the Arab forces. Following the war, the territory held by Israel expanded significantly ("The Purple Line") : The West Bank (including East Jerusalem) from Jordan, Golan Heights from Syria, Sinai, and Gaza from Egypt.

    War of Attrition (1967–1970) - A limited war fought between the Israeli military and forces of the Egyptian Republic, the USSR, Jordan, Syria, and the Palestine Liberation Organization from 1967 to 1970. It was initiated by the Egyptians as a way of recapturing the Sinai from the Israelis, who had been in control of the territory since the mid-1967 Six-Day War. The hostilities ended with a ceasefire signed between the countries in 1970 with frontiers remaining in the same place as when the war began.

    Yom Kippur War (October 1973) - Fought from October 6 to October 26, 1973 by a coalition of Arab states led by Egypt and Syria against Israel as a way of recapturing part of the territories which they lost to the Israelis back in the Six-Day War. The war began with a surprise joint attack by Egypt and Syria on the Jewish holiday of Yom Kippur. Egypt and Syria crossed the cease-fire lines in the Sinai and Golan Heights, respectively. Eventually Arab forces were defeated by Israel and there were no significant territorial changes.

    Palestinian insurgency in South Lebanon (1971-1982) - PLO relocate to South Lebanon from Jordan and stage attacks on the Galilee and as a base for international operations. In 1978, Israel launches Operation Litani - the first Israeli large-scale invasion of Lebanon, which was carried out by the Israel Defense Forces in order to expel PLO forces from the territory. Continuing ground and rocket attacks, and Israeli retaliations, eventually escalate into the 1982 War.

    1982 Lebanon War (1982) - Began in 6 June 1982, when the Israel Defense Forces invaded southern Lebanon to expel the PLO from the territory. The Government of Israel ordered the invasion as a response to the assassination attempt against Israel's ambassador to the United Kingdom, Shlomo Argov, by the Abu Nidal Organization and due to the constant terror attacks on northern Israel made by the Palestinian guerilla organizations which resided in Lebanon. The war resulted in the expulsion of the PLO from Lebanon and created an Israeli Security Zone in southern Lebanon.

    South Lebanon conflict (1982–2000) - Nearly 20 years of warfare between the Israel Defense Forces and its Lebanese proxy militias with Lebanese Muslim guerrilla, led by Iranian-backed Hezbollah, within what was defined by Israelis as the "Security Zone" in South Lebanon.

    First Intifada (1987–1993) - First large-scale Palestinian uprising against Israel in the West Bank and the Gaza Strip.

    Second Intifada (2000–2005) - Second Palestinian uprising, a period of intensified violence, which began in late September 2000.
    2006 Lebanon War (summer 2006) - Began as a military operation in response to the abduction of two Israeli reserve soldiers by the Hezbollah. The operation gradually strengthened, to become a wider confrontation. The principal participants were Hezbollah paramilitary forces and the Israeli military. The conflict started on 12 July 2006 and continued until a United Nations-brokered ceasefire went into effect on 14 August 2006, though it formally ended on 8 September 2006, when Israel lifted its naval blockade of Lebanon. The war resulted in the pacification of southern Lebanon and in the weakness of the Hezbollah (which suffered serious casualties but managed to survive the Israeli onslaught).

    Gaza War (December 2008 - January 2009) - Three-week armed conflict between Israel and Hamas during the winter of 2008–2009. In an escalation of the ongoing Israeli–Palestinian conflict, Israel responded to ongoing rocket fire from the Gaza Strip with military force in an action titled "Operation Cast Lead". Israel opened the attack with a surprise air strike on December 27, 2008. Israel's stated aim was to stop such rocket fire from and the import of arms into Gaza. Israeli forces attacked military and civilian targets, police stations, and government buildings in the opening assault. Israel declared an end to the conflict on January 18 and completed its withdrawal on January 21, 2009.

    Operation Pillar of Defense (November 2012) - Military offensive on the Gaza Strip

    Any questions?
     
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    Why wouldnt it?

    Who do you think writes international laws? Put it this way, its not Jacob Zuma, Goodluck Jonathan or Ian Khama!
     
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    Sure. Where are you dredging this bollox from ? You're obliged to provide a link.
     
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    Good, you noticed. Many people do not recognize the difference between Muslim, Followers of Islam and Islamist. That is fairly consistent with the anti-Jewish people on the thread.

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    Politically correct is not correct. It is just common.
     
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    Which has got what to do with the Middle East? Stick to the topic please.
     
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    Think any of these anti-Jews will admit to that truism?

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    What is the date on the oldest one? 1921?
     
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    I agree! I suggest it is time for you to remove your head from that sand or where ever it is.
     
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    An interesting question. Check this out;

     
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    All started by Islamists against Israel. There is one policy of the IDF I am strictly in favor of, for every one....1000 or more.
     
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    United nations is but a tool for European corporations. Thought everybody knew that, UN has very little credibility, anywhere.
     
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    I do not conflate Islamist with Palestinian. Islamists are those fanatic who CLAIM to be good Muslims but in fact are nothing more than terrorist monsters. I lived with, and went to school with Muslims. I know them to be good peaceful decent people. Virtually every military act committed by Israel was a response to some act of terror or war by Islamists. You may not like the term, but if the shoe fits......
     
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    What does that tell you?
     
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    and yet the world looks to the UN for guidance and support.
     
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    Whacko talk. Without international law you wouldn't even have a sardine with your baked beans.
     
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    Oh? And just forget who started the war which caused the loss of the land? Are you going to guarantee no more attacks? Is anyone?
     
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    Your post tells me that you couldn't be arsed to read it. We'll shortly find out why, I don't doubt.
     
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    The first point is an outright lie derived from the Hasbara handbook. As for the second, you are an apologist for the deliberate targetting of innocent men, women and children. Such a stance, is beyond contempt and is in direct opposition to any concept relating to civilized discourse. You are thus ignored from this point on.
     
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    Why? Why should anyone be grateful to you or anyone when you or they make ridiculous noises?
    It means that Israel got tired of Islamist terrorists attacking their people and finally, after years of patience, decided that if the Islamists wanted war they would give it to them. They did, they won, and now the Islamist terrorists want a "do over." I personally don't see why Israel should ever give them that do over.
     
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    Tripe. Zionists engaged in large scale and organised military operations ( war, they call it ) long before the attempted interventions by the Arab League in 1948. You are pumping propaganda, not history, and many of us recognise the difference.
     
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    United nations is a eurocentric tool.
    No Asian or African nation has ANY say in what laws are past. This is a FACT. That you ignore the FACT that no Afrikan or Asian (except china) has ANY rights or say in International law says a lot about you and the respect you give the Afrikan and Asian voice.
     
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    I think most Israelis would be willing to go back to the "green line" except for their holy city if the world could guarantee the Islamist fanatic terrorists would leave them alone.

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    CORRECT! Do you think that the Islamist terrorists will ever stop trying to kill Israelis?
     
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