Breaking : Numerous people shot outside UK Parliament .....

Discussion in 'Latest US & World News' started by MMC, Mar 22, 2017.

  1. Montegriffo

    Montegriffo Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Mar 22, 2017
    Messages:
    10,682
    Likes Received:
    8,954
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    Actually these crimes were reported by the children themselves and the fault was put at the lack of enough social workers and cuts in their budgets as much as any fear of being named Islamophobic. The children involved were often estranged from their parents and had drug and alcohol issues which led to them being ignored or not believed by overworked social services.
    Jimmy Saville was also allowed to get away with sexually abusing children for years and no one used fears of being called Islamophobic to excuse him being reported.
     
  2. Montegriffo

    Montegriffo Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Mar 22, 2017
    Messages:
    10,682
    Likes Received:
    8,954
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    Oh there's plenty of criticism of Muslims and Islam in the UK. I can be pretty certain that somewhere here you have quoted article after article from newspapers such as the Daily Mail and the Express to "prove" some point or other about the "evil religion"
    Have a guess how many of their journalists have been attacked and live in fear of printing more criticisms. I'll give you a clue, It's fewer than one.
     
  3. Fred C Dobbs

    Fred C Dobbs Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    May 12, 2016
    Messages:
    19,496
    Likes Received:
    9,006
    Trophy Points:
    113
    I used a direct quote.
     
  4. Fred C Dobbs

    Fred C Dobbs Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    May 12, 2016
    Messages:
    19,496
    Likes Received:
    9,006
    Trophy Points:
    113
    So a group of Muslim men 'groomed' and abused children for 16 years and we're to blame it on 'budget cuts'? Or that the children were 'estranged'? Or they had problems with drugs? You don't seem to understand what being 'groomed' even means and appear eaager to make excuses for these depravities. Are you fearful of appearing "Islamophobic" yourself?
     
    vman12 likes this.
  5. Fred C Dobbs

    Fred C Dobbs Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    May 12, 2016
    Messages:
    19,496
    Likes Received:
    9,006
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Nigel Farage is being investigated now by Ofcom for his comments about the number of rapes in Sweden. This seems like a rather serious thing.
     
  6. Montegriffo

    Montegriffo Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Mar 22, 2017
    Messages:
    10,682
    Likes Received:
    8,954
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    Nope, I was not excusing anyone's behaviour. I was countering your assertion that there was a lack of reporting or investigating these crimes because of a fear of being called Islamophobic.
    If you continue to strawman me I shall quickly lose patience in responding to your posts. How dare you accuse me of excusing these depravities?
     
  7. Fred C Dobbs

    Fred C Dobbs Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    May 12, 2016
    Messages:
    19,496
    Likes Received:
    9,006
    Trophy Points:
    113
    In fact it is well known that social workers and police were fearful of even referring to "Asian men" for fear of being labeled "Islamophobic'. The report was made public and references and links are here. http://www.crisismagazine.com/2014/islamophobia-phobia-rotherham-rapes

    Why bother to mention that that some of these children came from poor families, had drug problems, etc.? What difference could that possibly make in a child sexual abuse case??
     
  8. Silver Surfer

    Silver Surfer Banned

    Joined:
    Aug 24, 2013
    Messages:
    6,871
    Likes Received:
    2,233
    Trophy Points:
    113

    Our liberal leaders are total idiots. They don't care about the future of their own people. For example, appeasement never works. It creates even bigger problem in the long run. Just imagine how many Muslims were brainwashed in those mosques and schools which are run by hate preachers between (let's say) 2007-2017. How on earth anyone expects things to get better while extremism is preached in mosques and schools across the globe, in the western world in particular. Beggars belief. Those liberal elites completely lack common sense or simply deliberately allow extremism to spread for some nefarious reasons.
     
    Last edited: Mar 25, 2017
  9. Montegriffo

    Montegriffo Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Mar 22, 2017
    Messages:
    10,682
    Likes Received:
    8,954
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    Because it led to social workers ignoring or disbelieving their claims. I already said this so either you are being deliberately obtuse or you don't read too well. I also said that a shortage of social workers was as much of a reason as fears of being labelled Islamophobic. ie there was a combination of reasons for these crimes not being investigated properly including fears of being labelled Islamophobic. Life is not so black and white as you would like to portray it.
     
    unbiased institute likes this.
  10. unbiased institute

    unbiased institute Member

    Joined:
    Oct 23, 2015
    Messages:
    920
    Likes Received:
    22
    Trophy Points:
    18
    Umm they all do.
     
  11. snakestretcher

    snakestretcher Banned

    Joined:
    Jun 3, 2010
    Messages:
    43,996
    Likes Received:
    1,706
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Last edited: Mar 25, 2017
    moon and Sallyally like this.
  12. snakestretcher

    snakestretcher Banned

    Joined:
    Jun 3, 2010
    Messages:
    43,996
    Likes Received:
    1,706
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Considering that Muslims have lived in Britain under governments of all political colours, why the obsession with 'liberal elites'?
     
  13. snakestretcher

    snakestretcher Banned

    Joined:
    Jun 3, 2010
    Messages:
    43,996
    Likes Received:
    1,706
    Trophy Points:
    113
    And then there was this: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-32413502
    Not a single Muslim among them. So you see, Fred, it's not all about Islam.
     
    Last edited: Mar 25, 2017
  14. truth and justice

    truth and justice Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Oct 5, 2011
    Messages:
    25,944
    Likes Received:
    8,889
    Trophy Points:
    113
    And yet Khalid Masood was labelled as Asian by the press & police within a few hours of the attack when he is clearly not Asian sorts of ruins your argument. And no one critisized them for doing it.

    It's ironic that your link is a Catholic source attacking pedophilia. BTW when you posted about how gays are treated in Islamic countries, you never replied with your view of gays and their life style after you were asked - so what is your view on them?
     
    Last edited: Mar 25, 2017
    Montegriffo likes this.
  15. truth and justice

    truth and justice Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Oct 5, 2011
    Messages:
    25,944
    Likes Received:
    8,889
    Trophy Points:
    113
    I don't remember this case. Can I say that I'm surprised that this case did not get the same coverage as the Rotherham case - no, not at all surprised.
     
  16. snakestretcher

    snakestretcher Banned

    Joined:
    Jun 3, 2010
    Messages:
    43,996
    Likes Received:
    1,706
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Indeed, and with Islam currently the villain du jour, other equally unsettling news doesn't get the same prominence.
     
  17. Montegriffo

    Montegriffo Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Mar 22, 2017
    Messages:
    10,682
    Likes Received:
    8,954
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    It must also be pointed out that fear of being labelled racist or Islamophobic is a convenient excuse for the social workers and police who were under investigation for failing to do their jobs properly.
     
    Last edited: Mar 25, 2017
    Fred C Dobbs likes this.
  18. Montegriffo

    Montegriffo Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Mar 22, 2017
    Messages:
    10,682
    Likes Received:
    8,954
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    Those Liberal leaders who brought in laws criminalising hate speech and imprisoned preachers like Anjem Chowdary https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anjem_Choudary for his vile message?
     
  19. vman12

    vman12 Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Jun 25, 2015
    Messages:
    66,736
    Likes Received:
    46,529
    Trophy Points:
    113
  20. vman12

    vman12 Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Jun 25, 2015
    Messages:
    66,736
    Likes Received:
    46,529
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Well then by all means go get your SA tourist visa, or your Iranian tourist visa. Let us know how that works out for you.
     
  21. unbiased institute

    unbiased institute Member

    Joined:
    Oct 23, 2015
    Messages:
    920
    Likes Received:
    22
    Trophy Points:
    18
    Yeah its no problem. For Iran which is strictly speaking an Asian country its also fine as long as you don't have an Israeli stamp in your passport.
    So la mushkila.
     
  22. vman12

    vman12 Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Jun 25, 2015
    Messages:
    66,736
    Likes Received:
    46,529
    Trophy Points:
    113
    On the other hand, you have the reality of getting it, then surviving once you get there.
     
  23. unbiased institute

    unbiased institute Member

    Joined:
    Oct 23, 2015
    Messages:
    920
    Likes Received:
    22
    Trophy Points:
    18
    Its really not a problem. Here's just one company that deals with visas. There is even a table on the right side which shows the success rate of applications.
    http://www.iranianvisa.com/
    Well Iranians are generally quite polite but if you're seriously concerned about the possible cultural aversion then just pretend that you're Canadian.
     
    Last edited: Mar 25, 2017
  24. Fred C Dobbs

    Fred C Dobbs Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    May 12, 2016
    Messages:
    19,496
    Likes Received:
    9,006
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Nor did I ever claim these crimes were only committed by Muslims. The point was the cover-up because of fear of "Islamophobia" or "Racism" which allowed these crimes to continue much longer than they should have. It's all there in the reports.

    So you segue here into other criminals who were committing similar crimes as well while Alexa, as another example among many, tries to deflect the conversation to the United States. There are certainly acts of 'hatred' occurring in Europe and around the world but the majority of it is clearly coming from Muslim communities, often against each other and, quite naturally, people are responding with some suspicion and concern. Calling their response "Islamophobic" or "Racist" or pointing out that others do it too, does not advance the solution to the problem of radical Islam in the world today.
     
    FreedomSeeker likes this.
  25. Fred C Dobbs

    Fred C Dobbs Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    May 12, 2016
    Messages:
    19,496
    Likes Received:
    9,006
    Trophy Points:
    113
    The reference was to Rotherham, as you can see on a re-read.
    Do you really need another source that pedophilia is illegal and frowned upon in the western democracies?

    My view on Gays? What has that to do with the topic?
     

Share This Page