Breaking: Pastor Who Labeled Corona Virus as "Mass Hysteria" Dies of Corona Virus

Not Aholes.

The offense was that governors weren't sufficiently "appreciateive".

And, the reprimand was to give those states less help in their fight against this deadly pandemic.

After all, the extra deaths will cow the governors to be more "appreciative"!!??

That's leadership???

 

He just tried to take over New York. But he was quickly informed that he can't do that. Cuomo informed him it would be a Federal declaration of war on New York.

 

why don't you tell us what trump did do... be a shorter list

also tell us what assistance Trump was talking about denying if they did not praise him constantly?

this is the problem with having a President with such a fragile ego, they can't take or learn from criticism

 

the catch 22 is that it's all God's plan and prayer can't change God's plan - pretty much makes prayer useless as if it was already the plan, then prayer changes nothing - cause 'not praying' could not change God's plan either

 

Trump gave a partial list in your link. I suppose you skipped over that part...

Nowhere did he say anything about denying anything. That’s my point and Snope’s point. You are putting words in his mouth he didn’t say. Or repeating a journalist that is. I guess if you think dishonesty is the way to defeat a guy you accuse of dishonesty be my guest. I don’t think it’s going to work though.

Oh, and do you think Trump is just supposed to make the correct number of ventilators magically appear because NY needs them? The federal government isn’t a lamp genie as much as you would like them to be. I find this notion bizarre.

 

None of the above is factual. It’s what you want to hear. Consider how you would react if the political roles were reversed.

 

Please state what you disagree with.

Even Trump now sees that he has an influence on how many ventilators are made.

Otherwise, why would he be yelling at GM? Did he just do that because he felt like yelling at someone besides the governors who are on the front lines this time??

Cuomo and others point out that we could get away with fewer ventilators if each stated didn't have to acquire the number they need for their maximum projected patient load.

Other countries (such as UK) are building more vents because Boris Johnson asked for volunteer corporations and got their efforts coordinated.

OUR leadership barks at those trying the hardest, ignores facts from the experts, fails to marshall our full capability, disseminates false statements in EVERY briefing on the topic and downplays the seriousness of the war.

Is that the kind of "leadership" our military would promote?

 

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/03/27/cor...ot-to-call-washington-michigan-governors.html

Trump told Pence not to talk to Washington or Michigan because their governors were not being adequately appreciative.

My governor (WA) has had a good relationship with Pence from the start.

Now, Trump wants to punish us by giving us less help in keeping US citizens alive!!!

Who DOES that???

Who uses the death of US citizens as a political weapon?

 

I disagree with misrepresentation of what people say.

Have you ever heard the expression “he wouldn’t be happy if he was hung with a new rope”? A few days ago Trump was scum because he wouldn’t use the Defense Production Act and now everyone is upset that he is. I just don’t get changing one’s position just to be contrarian.

For years I’ve been hearing from people like you who say Trump is a fascist and authoritarian and he should go. Now you want him out because he isn’t fascist enough. It’s nuts.

If I was an automobile manufacturer and knew what ridiculous crap went on here on PF when the subject came up of automakers producing vents, I’d probably say you could all pound sand and suffocate. Remember how vents were magical devices auto manufacturers were too dumb and unsophisticated to build, let alone design? Remember, ****** behavior has consequences whether you are governor, President, or their constituents.

 

So leaders should waste their time on unproductive chit chat instead of using that time to work with people who are willing be more cooperative? I can not find anywhere where help has been or threatened to be denied. Can you? And I think it’s a very good point that Trump is standing up for FEMA, etc. You know, those bureaucracies you usually love and don’t want to see denigrated—unless of course denigrating them suits your purposes.

Successful, real leaders don’t waste resources on unproductive pursuits. Not in the military, not in business, and not in politics.

 

I agree. But, it's meaningless if you don't identify the issue.

I haven't heard anyone complain about using the Defense Production Act. LOTS have complained that he said he would and then said in a tweet the next day that he wasn't going to do that.

And, he's clearly not using it as much as would be seriously helpful.

Here I don't even know who you are talking about or what the concern was about.

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I've applauded GM. It's Trump who yelled at them.

I have consistently pointed out that manufactures, including auto manufacturers can create stuff like ventilators with a reasonably short retooling period.

How did I know? I didn't have to guess. I didn't even have to trust the amazing capability of our manufacturing segment.

Boris Johnson asked for corporations to volunteer help, and numerous companies stood up. With coordination, they started making vents and other stuff - some just making parts others assembling, etc. I pointed out that we have NOT done that.

Now, GW stood up and Trump YELLED at them!! Yesterday, he even stated that they needed to use their Lordstown plant - a plant he PRAISED them for selling about 10 months ago.

I just don't see your argument.

 

Trump ORDERED Pence to not talk to the governors of WA and MI.

That is how needs and availabililties are communicated. That's how issues are resolved.

What I ask for doesn't have to involve Trump at all.

Cuomo and others have pointed out that we wouldn't need so many vents if there was actual planning at the federal level. Today, every state has to attempt to acquire as many vents as they will need for when COVID peaks in their state. With planning, vents could be moved around to where they are most needed - since peaks aren't going to happen everywhere at once.

Planning is totally absent at the federal level. It's all Trump. And, he doesn't know SQUAT about science, planning, medicie, etc.

His ignorance of the issue would not be a problem if everything didn't have to go through him alone - as he demands.

 

I have. Go back and read the Snopes link I provided.

So you want him to use it, just more diplomatically? Personally I don’t think it should be used except as a last resort.

Then we agree on the abilities of manufacturers. Several left leaners were mocking the idea several days ago and I spent quite a bit of time explaining why it’s no big deal for auto makers to manufacture something as comparatively simple as a vent.

Sure we have. Maybe you just need a broader source of information.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2020/03/24/ford-ge-3m-ventilators-coronavirus/
I was listening to a podcast the other day and learned a pistol holster manufacturer is raising funds and using their equipment and labor to produce face masks.

I haven’t read about that at all. I’ll take your word for it.

I know. It’s fine. I mostly engage in these discussions to encourage other third parties to do their own research and thinking instead of just reading one or two journalist’s biased opinions.

 

Aaarrrrgggg. He did no such thing!

So you say what you ask for doesn’t have to involve Trump and then you moan he isn’t doing what you want. Is there a problem with Cuomo asking Ricketts to coordinate sharing of vents between our states? Again, I just don’t understand people’s desire for the Fed to do everything at the same time they complain about the supposed failures of the Fed. That isn’t logical. When this virus first started making news here I had to explain to a member from another country how our country of states is supposed to operate. We are a federation of states. Decisions and coordination should be done as close to the local and state level as possible. States shouldn’t sit back and expect the Fed to take care of everything for them.

Does it? Does he?

 

Trump admits telling Pence not to talk to specific governors.
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&sou...BMA56BAgLEAU&usg=AOvVaw1dgQJAKZCQjXBcNS7KFdBf

What made you doubt what I said? I do want to know.

Being a republic does not mean we don't need federal leadership.

And, no state is going to give up their vents for relocation to a state that currently needds them more without there being a rock solid federal plan that states can fully trust.

 

He has not told Pence not to talk to any governors. Where are you coming up with this? You make a claim and post video evidence that proves you wrong. Do you even watch your links or just repeat the misinformation a journalist spins about it? If it wasn’t so sad it would be hilarious. You have claimed aid has been denied. Not true. You’ve claimed Trump ordered Pence not to talk to governors. Not true. Watch the videos in your links and stop repeating false statements made by journalists.

Now you want states to trust the feds you are complaining about being untrustworthy? So how would this rock solid plan work? New York borrows vents from Kansas or North Dakota. Kansas wants them back. The Fed sends federal marshals to New York hospitals and forcefully removes vents from patients to send back to Kansas? I just don’t see any practical difference between agreements brokered by states and ones brokered by feds. If the machines are in use when needed elsewhere you have the same problem regardless of who brokered the deal. And why would you trust federal bureaucracies to enforce things states can’t be trusted to abide by on their own?

Cuomo is asking for help. We will see if any states step up.

 

Many people underestimated the virus, such as Joe Biden.

 

The link confirmed what I said. Trump admitted telling Pence not to talk to two governors.

And, you give one reason that the federal level would need to be involved.

And, states don't have budget for helping other states.

 

I’m sorry. I can’t take someone seriously who either doesn’t understand the difference between not calling someone and not talking to someone. Frankly, it’s even harder to take someone seriously who knows the difference and still makes false claims about it.

What reason would that be?

So? Show me the budget that has 2 trillion dollars to hand out to citizens and businesses. LOL

My neighbor’s house burned down a few years ago. I was on the fire department at the time so when everything was under control I went over and offered the family the use of a house I had empty at the time. He said thanks but several people had already offered and he was good to go. Not one of us had a budget to house a neighbor in a crisis. LOL

 

As per my cite, Trump told Pence not to talk to the governors of WA and MI - and Trump admitted that.

States can not deficit spend like that. The federal government can.

I applaud what you offered. But, that is totally irrelevant to the needs that states are identifying - unless you own a few thousand ventilators you're willing to part with.

 

SMH. You aren’t fooling anyone. I don’t see what the point of doubling down is.

Sharing existing equipment doesn’t require deficit spending.

I guess I shouldn’t expect someone who doesn’t know the difference between placing a phone call and accepting a call to know an analogy when they see one. Your silliness is beginning to bore me. See you around. The last word is yours...