* BREAKING: Reporter and camera man murdered on live TV ! (video)

both are constitutional rights.... I mean, I'm as much for mental health screenings for gun owning as you are for voting, freedom of religion, freedom of press.


if you are insane enough not to be able to own a gun, that should apply to ALL YOUR CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHTS....


Had this shooter been too insane to own a gun, he'd be too insane and his vote for Obama shouldn't have counted. oh wait, that's a poll tax when it's applied to other rights, huh.

 

Yeah, that whole shooting reporters on live TV doesn't qualify as an indicator of mental health....Lets go with that one.

 

A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed. I would suggest you look up what well regulated means.....

 

a vote is more dangerous than a gun....

 

"Optional" is my choice because "mandatory" cannot be implemented in any meaningful way, nor could it ever be enforced. Attempting it would end up being nothing but an unconstitutional infringement on law-abiding people's 2A right, while having little or no positive impact on the lawless availability or transfer of weapons.

 

I can help with that:

The following are taken from the Oxford English Dictionary, and bracket in time the writing of the 2nd amendment:

1709: "If a liberal Education has formed in us well-regulated Appetites and worthy Inclinations."
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1714: "The practice of all well-regulated courts of justice in the world."​

1812: "The equation of time ... is the adjustment of the difference of time as shown by a well-regulated clock and a true sun dial."​

1848: "A remissness for which I am sure every well-regulated person will blame the Mayor."​

1862: "It appeared to her well-regulated mind, like a clandestine proceeding."
1894: "The newspaper, a never wanting adjunct to every well-regulated American embryo city."


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So, you see, the phrase "well-regulated" was in common use long before 1789, and remained so for a century thereafter. It referred to the property of something being in proper working order. Something that was well-regulated was calibrated correctly, functioning as expected, adequate to the purpose. Establishing government oversight of the people's arms was not only NOT the intent in using the phrase in the 2nd amendment, it was precisely to render the government powerless to do so that the founders wrote it. source

It seems it may be YOU who does not understand the meaning of 'well-regulated', as it pertains to the 2A. Now, we shall see if you will accept this new enlightenment on a dark area of your knowledge, or if you stubbornly cling to your incorrect beliefs simply because they fit your narrative.

 

You can sure do it with a fragmentation grenade. Stop making excuses for your lack of logic. This is a mental health issue, not a gun issue. Unless you just want to control people.

 

http://www.guncite.com/gc2ndmea.html

VERB
control or maintain the rate or speed of (a machine or process) so that it operates properly:

"a hormone that regulates metabolism and organ function"
synonyms: control · adjust · [more]

control or supervise (something, especially a company or business activity) by means of rules and regulations:

"the organization that regulates fishing in the region"
synonyms: supervise · police · [more]
set (a clock or other apparatus) according to an external standard.

 

I don't want an appeal to authority; I want a personal opinion.

 

The 2A was not written in 1980

 

That was the sites fault not mine just saying

 

Yet the vast majrity of those crime happens in the US...MOD EDIT - Rule 3

As for people control, the USA isn't even in the top 10 of democracy index and just about all those preceeding it have though gun control in place... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democracy_Index

 

the last two mass murderers were Christians.... and yet to be seen if this one was too...

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I gave you quotes from the Oxford English Dictionary that bracket in time the COMMON use of that phrase around the writing of the 2A, and a century thereafter

...and you give me a definition from 1980?

from your source:

"The original intent and purpose of the Second Amendment was to preserve and guarantee, not grant, the pre-existing right of individuals to keep and bear arms. Although the amendment emphasizes the need for a militia, membership in any militia, let alone a well-regulated one, was not intended to serve as a prerequisite for exercising the right to keep arms.

The Second Amendment preserves and guarantees an individual right for a collective purpose. That does not transform the right into a "collective right." The militia clause was a declaration of purpose, and preserving the people's right to keep and bear arms was the method the framers chose to, in-part, ensure the continuation of a well-regulated militia.


There is no contrary evidence from the writings of the Founding Fathers, early American legal commentators, or pre-twentieth century Supreme Court decisions, indicating that the Second Amendment was intended to apply solely to active militia members."


I couldn't have said it better myself.

 

I gave you my personal opinion, and why I chose it. Which is what you asked for.

I always gravitate to individual liberty and constitutionality. The necessary creation of a database of all existing arms, (that any well-regulated mandatory background check system would require), would be unconstitutional, and would infringe on your privacy, and your individual liberty, as well as your 2A right. Not to mention it would be impossible to initially compile with any degree of accuracy, and to maintain accurately going forward. You may be willing to give up your essential liberty for some modicum of perceived security. I, am not.

 

I gave other quotations from the same dictionary I would say they meant like a bussniess or supervise things.

 

Yes. In 1980, where your definition came from, that's what "well regulated" meant, and means today. But that's not, at all, what it meant to the writers of the 2A, nor does it reflect their intent.

 

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...ker-Adam-Ward-shot-live-TV-Moneta-gunman.html

Apparently this piece of (*)(*)(*)(*) wanted to start a race war. Perhaps we should now take down the NAACP flag, like they did with confederate flag?

 

he was a member of the NAACP?

he was a supporter?

he waved the NAACP flag?

is there such a flag???????????

 

What mass murderers?

 

SC church

 

the church and the theater, where you been...

 

He was apparently queer too, so I assume the rainbow gay flag will be banned??

 

So argument from authority aside, you're perfectly fine with a check-less system for firearm purchase. I understand you correctly, yes? Keeping in mind that it would encompass purchase either private or business.

 

Trust me on this: hell just froze over because I didn't think we'd ever agree on anything.