Brexit will be Titanic success, says Boris Johnson

With what dire things are around the corner for Europe - and whilst I take no pleasure from what I think is coming, it doesn't surprise me that it will come - we'd have more to lose by remaining, much more to lose! I say it again - we're getting out just in time.

 

I feel the same about the US election though I know I am absolutely crazy to do so. We know that food and fuel are going up with the demise of the pound as are all imports. We know that this ruling put the £ up to what it was at the beginning of October though still 16% below what it was before the referendum and that that was caused by markets believing this was a sign that there was hope that it would not be a hard brexit.

We know that Banks are moving people out and that I think is likely to be a massive loss, France and Germany and possibly another country are putting things in order to take over the UK's position.

We know that other company's are thinking of not starting more work here until the situation is known - hence the under the table something to Nissan and that will go on and on.

We know that if we stopped using migrants in farming we would have no British produce in our stores within 5 days.

We know that we are going to miss money for research as well as the best minds to spark each other off.

We know our young will no longer be able to plan a career in a different country in Europe etc etc etc.

We do not yet know the final situation. That will depend on several things - the new US President!, who France and Germany elect as their new Leaders, the world situation and what sort of a deal can be spread in those situations. It seems to be widely agreed that the most likely thing for people to do re this vote is to vote as their constituencies did so Brexit remains - almost everyone seems to believe that. Mind you the guy who wrote Article 50 was saying yesterday that it is quite possible to call it and still not leave!!!!! What Parliamentarians are seemingly hoping to get is an input into whether it is a hard or soft Brexit. A soft Brexit would likely be much the same as we had before, possibly paying a bit more with a more restrictions of migrants as the rest of the EU will to and we will have no say whatsoever. A hard Brexit, particularly given the interest there is in people who say they would like to invest to first find out if there is going to be a hard or soft Brexit, definitely preferring a soft one as well as other European Countries after our Banking position could work, not impossible but also could see us experiencing a poverty that we now can barely imagine and remember the state the UK was in before she joined.....and of course we may not have a UK after Brexit, it may just be a united England and Wales.

 

Three anti-Brexit High Court judges have just tried to hinder Britain's exit from the EU and there's a helluva stink about it.
It just shows how the Establishment likes to overule the will of the people.

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I thought that at first and I was incandescent; but I'm now convinced it was a purely technical finding which needs make no difference at all. We should be calling the shots here not a bunch of unelected pompous jobsworths in Brussels.

 

The people have already spoken via referendum. If Parliament annulled that decision it would be an affront to the democratic process, not to mention the waste of money. The government must perform the will of the people, and parliament can discuss how they want to move forward (what they want in place in the UK) before triggering. Such as, allowing the BoT to reach a certain level, or inflation to reach expected 2%, injection of money to help trade in the event of problems after the 2 year period, whether or not to have a "hard" break or not.

The people voted out.How and when were not voted on and so can be discussed.
There is no requirement to notify the EU until they are ready to trigger the article. Brussels will have to wait for however long the UK deems fit.

 

And the EU doesnt have to start any negotiations until the UK officially triggers the article. That the UK just remains in the current situation is a possibility. Dealing with a brexit would be so tiresome that politicians might just kick it down the road. Forever. It would be the least painful option, surely

 

Indeed the British tabloids are proving why they should be closed and banned. Those headlines are a danger to their society.
I have never seen more despicable front pages. Keep in mind that a politician was murdered not long ago.

The faster these crypto-fascists and Murdoch get of the EU the better.

 

If the Reps didn't like Obama's initiatives they rightly opposed them, but with Brexit it was the will of the people that we should quit the EU.
PS- Here's a mugshot of crackpot lefty Herman van Rompuy who's a big wheel in the wretched EU-

 

Absolutely. The UK can still get their own home affairs in order and come up with strategies/outcomes to accept or deny when the EU finally start negotiations after Article 50 is invoked. That seems fair, especially since the 2 year exit time might be rather quick in the whole scheme of things.

 

The three Brit judges tried to thwart the will of the people so it's only right they should be pilloried for treachery..
As for the woman MP who was assassinated, the guy who did it said she was a lefty traitor.

 

That would require a population and parliament on the same page. They aren't. In fact it is pure chaos. Furthermore both May and her three Brexit ministers are complete failures who seem as knowledgable about their areas as Trump is about foreign policy.

Add to the fact that you have Murdoch owned tabloids who are threatening judges and running one lying hate filled front page after the other.
If you think the UK is in a good or strong position you aren't following along.

 

No... Simply no... There is no excuse for those headlines and the people behind should be arrested for endangering their society.

Funny though how these tabloids cry about the elites and foreigners when they are owned by an elite foreigner.
Stupid nor despicable even begins to explain this.

The Anglo-Saxon world has definitely lost it's primacy on education, science, human rights and intelligence in general.

You sound like a traitor... A traitor who relishes the murder of an opposition politician. Quite despicable though not surprising.

 

Like I've said before, we don't need bullets to shoot down politicians who we don't like, we use our VOTES instead to get rid of them by voting for somebody else..
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That's not what you said in the last post. You excused the murder with the murderers reasoning.
Quite despicable and it is there for all to see... As is your attack on British society in general.

Given your posts of stupid headlines from tabloids I am not surprised.

 

If somebody had shot Hitler because they regarded him as a traitor to Germany and saw themselves as a patriot, it'd have been understandable.
Likewise the bloke who killed lefty politician Cox saw himself as a patriot, but like I said before we don't need to resort to guns because we can get rid of politicians with our VOTES by voting for somebody else..
What country are you from? I see you use the EU flag in your post headings, so surely you must know what a mess the EU has made of Europe?
I use the English flag in my posts because I'm proud to be English and a Brexiteer..

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Yes... Comparing an elected politician to the worst dictator of the 20th century is really showing your grasp of things.

You sure you are English? Nothing from what I see indicates you know anything about the proud democratic and legal history of the Britain.

 

Haha my real surname goes back unchanged to before 1066..

 

The UK will be just fine. "The times they are a-changing".

 

The Republicans were not elected to do absolutly nothing for eight years and then blame the fact that they accomplished absolutly nothing on Obama. And just so you know our system of checks and balances was not actually designed as a tool for eliminating any government action on any issue at any time but was rather designed so that one branch of government could not run amuck and totally ignore the wishes of the people.

 

IF you are claiming that an election is the same as a referrendum then yes probably very few of us understand what you are talking about which I guess puts us all in your camp.

 

That is correct. The Brexit vote was a referendum on a single issue and the voice of the British people was heard. Unfortunatly it appears that allowing the public to actually make such complex decisions is going to have been proven in this particular case to be a major error.

 

It is pretty irrelevant what the High court have decided, no politician who wants to keep their seat is going to vote against triggering Article 50, after all they are there to represent the people of their constituency of which the majority voted to leave, this whole thing about Scotland etc not wanting to leave is BS, they are part of the UK and as such are subject to the majority vote just as every other person is.

 

So what do you suggest then ... stop the people from making decisions, perhaps install a leader (dictator) to tell everyone what to do and think .. if as you assert brexit was a "major error" then so be it, at least it is an error that the majority voted to make and not one spoon fed us by some trumped up tree hugger.

 

Well... People voted for a variety of reasons. Many as far I have seen did not vote for a complete break with the EU and the single market.
Referendums can be great if the people are asked simple questions.
The EU referendum was badly organised with no plans for an eventual leave vote. Not to mention that it was an advisory referendum so in theory the parties were supposed to take the vote into consideration and decide from it.
Given that many did not vote at all and that the result was close it in no way gives an obscure PM the power to sweep in and break with 40 years of laws, regulations and cooperation.

Not surprising though that the Brexit supporters do not respect dissenting opinion, the rule of law and all it entails. That was proven long long ago.

 

You seem utterly confused. This discussion is about the attempts by the British leftists and British elites to override the will of the British voters clearly and unambiguously expressed in the legal and binding referendum. Your British comrade managed to call the implementation of the voters' choice "dictatorship". He then backed off and plainly admitted that he doesn't give a f&uck about the democratic process because he knows best what's good for the UK..

Anyway your example about Republicans and your opinion about them is totally off topic in the context of this discussion.