I respect this. Although: any time a woman's action causes the unborn to die, it constitutes harm. Doesn't matter in what stage of development the unborn is.
When one's action causes another being to die, it can be said that the former has caused the latter harm.
When I say harm I’m talking about pain. Pain necessitates some sort of nervous system. You can’t cause pain onto things that do not feel. I don’t mean harm as some abstract negative outcome.
But you’ve failed to give me a logical reason why. Your argument simply is: it’s wrong because it’s killing a human being; and that’s wrong because human beings have intrinsic value that I can’t rationalize but personally feel is right. Do you not see that your starting point that all human beings have intrinsic value is irrational?
This is not my argument. My argument is this: I am against murder. And since abortion is murder, then it means I am against it. Values and beliefs can be irrational and still correct.
Wrong! A zygote is just a human cell that contains two sets of DNA, one from each of the parents. It is not yet a unique individual. Hence it is only the POTENTIAL to become a human being. The process of splitting and recombining the DNA can, and does, fail before a unique set of DNA can be formed.
Stating the obvious! Should a parasite have the "right to life" given that it can only stay alive by feeding off it's host?
So logically that means that you want to charge all women who have a miscarriage with manslaughter since that "causes the unborn to die".
If abortion was murder, hundreds of thousands of women would now be in prison. Values and Beliefs are individual aspects of the human mind and thus cannot be codified into law just because you say so.
In which case you are also against miscarriages and must charge all women having a miscarriage with murder.
Ya so? What's your point? The POINT of abortion is to kill the fetus. Gee, you know the mind of killers….weird.... ...and another big So WHAT? Of course people CAN kill other people...isn't obvious that they can? (Just like people CAN drive a car. ) But if you can't prove self defense or some other mitigating circumstance then it's murder which is illegal..
So you don't think women have the same right to their body that YOU do? A. The fetus is NOT a legal person with rights UNTIL birth. It can't since any rights it could have would be overridden by the rights of the woman it's in....you seem to think a fetus can "swing it's arms" all it wants to harm another. B. Growing a fetus does physical harm to women's bodies so let's discuss self defense IF the fetus is this person with rights that you insist it is... C. When we're BORN and have rights, with those rights comes RESTRICTIONS. We cannot use another's body to sustain our own life. Why do you want the fetus to have more rights than the woman it's in??
I didn't say it was an individual. I said it is a live human. There is no need for your snark. Lets try to keep things civil. I don't think the unborn qualifies as a true parasite. Most parasites are of a different species than the host. But they did not cause the miscarriage. It happened due to factors beyond their (the womens') control. Whereas in abortion, the woman is making a conscious decision to kill. Laws aren't always right. Just because laws say abortion is legal, it does not mean abortion is not murder. In most cases of abortion, women also cannot prove self-defense. And no, "I am not ready for a family yet" is not a "mitigating circumstance".
FoxHastings said: ↑ But if you can't prove self defense or some other mitigating circumstance then it's murder which is illegal.. They don't have to now because fetuses are not now persons . IF fetuses are ever deemed "persons" with rights, THEN women could have them killed using self defense. Who said it was??? I didn't. Women need no reason or exscuse to have an abortion, all they need is to want one.
