No rockets = no "suffering" Once again, you demonstrate the fact that many pro-Palestinians either ignore or absolve Hamas and their fellow Islamists of any responsibility. I guess Newton's third law does not apply when it comes to either party. I agree that Israel must feel some pressure to resolve the issue, but internal Israeli politics being what they are I doubt it will be effective. What pressure do you think the Palestinians should be put under to resolve the issue? I guess all those rockets were fired by Israelis posing as Hamas. I too believe that Hamas is run by the Israelis, much like ISIL, and Islamic Jihad etc. Once again, you give the Palestinians a free pass on their behavior. But I suppose there are those that are pre-disposed to believing that Islamists can change their stripes. Hamas didn't miraculously become secular, nor have they renounced their "liberation of all of historic Palestine" pledge, nor has Al Qassam joined the PLO. I don't understand how pro-Palestinians think that trust can be mandated. That generations of hatred will evaporate once a Palestinian nation is created. Now that is rich. 66 years too late? Not much of a student of history I see. What about arab terrorism during prior to and during the civil war? (it wasn't Israeli terrorism, it was jewish terrorism as Israel hadn't been established during the mandate) Are you aware of the multiple arab riots against jews starting in the 20's (Heil Mufti and all)? to accuse the jews of terrorism while ignoring contemporaneous arab terrorism is wholly disingenuous. I happen to agree with a two state solution, with certain restrictions imposed. Conditions like (but of course not limited to) the non-militarization of Palestine , the right of unfettered access between their provinces, acceptance of Israeli air traffic control, shared water resources, "right of return" settled thru compensation directly to the Palestinian government, Funny how all those people who time and time again saved Israel from itself were successful. If only the Palestinians had similar people, they wouldn't possess such a long history of failure.
First and foremost there is already a Palestinian State and it is called today <Jordan 77% of the Mandate for Palestine>! http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v227/zeev_zeev/map.jpg http://www.justicenow4israel.com/mandatemap.html Right of return... the majority of the 400,00 refugees according to UNRWA have passed on and Israel will not deal with the Arab progeny. There is nothing for them here but to Join the PLO or Hamas and we have enough of that. If someone is interested to know how duplicitous <perfidious Albion> surreptitiously severed 77% of the Mandate for Palestine (the designated homeland of the Jews) and gave it to an upstart from the Hejaz by the name of Abdullah? This would surprise some I have already written on that subject and I can repost it here.
We've been over this countless times. I disagree. I guess property rights are transient in Israel. how much compensation did the jews receive for lost property in ww2? That was paid to progeny was it not? not perfidious at all. straight up deal for all to see.
Comparing Israel to the NAZIs is below the belt, it does not enhance your relevance nor give you a respectable stature on this Forum... Sorry you are just argumentative and your wishes are baseless. I suspect that the 400,000 left because they had nothing to lose, they did not have any attachement to Real Estate and the majority were tillers and not owners. Just a <coup the tete> surreptitiously decided by Churchil in a Cairo meeting that reminds me of Obama and all its failures since he was elected.
What I did Jonsa was tell you what the British Backbench Parliament said in their debate on demanding the British Government recognise the Palestine State. Like them I am not interested in rehashed propaganda there for one reason to allow Israel to do what she wants without respect to International law and as Bank ki-Moon said acting in a way which shames humanity. The overwhelming majority in the British Parliament as I said reflects the views of the British people which most MP's saying they had been inundated by letters and emails from the public. The views expressed were views of the British Parliament. Times are changing. Israel left the world with no option. If you have a problem I suggest you write and tell the British Parliament your superior knowledge.
Really? Which 'regulations' permit Jews to wander into the Occupied Territories and annex land to build their settlements on?
Your desperation is showing. There will soon be full statehood recognition for Palestine. Deal with it. Oh, and quotes from agenda-driven right-wing Jews don't help your cause one bit.
The Jewish-Arab Peace Song (w/ English subtitles) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5d_i2F2LlF8 As an evaluation to all listeners... These are the sons and daughters of Jewish refugees from Arab Countries Singing and hoping for peace. This would scuttle some of the most abhorrent thinking and false statements here.
Bunk!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! The Bedu as you call them enlist (en masse) in the IDF and they are the best sappers in the world.
that land was part of Palestine for a grand total of 2 years. then it became Transjordan. Look at any map.
thank you for informing me of what the British Parliament thinks or doesn't. Picking sides can be such a difficult process, especially when ignoring rather substantial chunk of facts. Hot air, faux outrage and political expediency do not build trust. they do not encourage compromise. they do not deliver security. they do not change religious belief. they do not eliminate hate. Which is why I am not surprised at the vote, nor the non-binding nature of the resolution. Everyone can feel good about themselves, point to their vote during a election, and merrily go about their days comforted in the knowledge of their self righteousness. Cheers.
"En mass ? Hmmm How about some figures ? It appears the main reason for some enlisting - is economic and false promises by Israeli authorities "A comment heard from several ex- soldiers was: “Once your uniform is off, you’re a dirty Arab again.” Many rights and benefits in Israel are tied to military service and therefore claimed mostly by the Jewish population, including a wide variety of jobs, entitlement to state-controlled land and economic privileges such as cheap loans, government allowances and tax breaks. The noted Israeli jurist David Kretzmer has called this a policy of “covert discrimination” against the Arab minority. Ex soldier S -aged 29 and married with two children, said the chief reason he joined was to receive benefits such as higher child allowance, a lump sum on his release from the army and, most importantly, a heavily discounted parcel of land on which to build a home. In Israeli Arab communities, where most of the land has been confiscated by the state and where new houses are often classified as illegal and subject to demolition, the offer of land is a powerful incentive. Dr. Kanaaneh points out that these financial perks and the possibility of a later career in “security jobs” such as the police force or as a prison warden are attractions for young men who often struggle to find work. But, while there are benefits that individual soldiers can gain, Dr. Kanaaneh says they are often nullified by larger discriminatory policies, such as house demolitions, directed towards the minority as a whole or against specific communities like the Bedouin. There have been several reports of former Bedouin soldiers having their homes destroyed by the state. '''' .
I am not comparing Israel to Nazi's in any way and never have. I was using a chapter in Jewish history to illustrate that in your world what's good for the goose isn't good for the gander. what is a coup the tete? do you me coup d'état? Amazing how colonial powers act like colonial powers, eh?
No one here is considered an authority on the Mandate... You and others need to learn a few things. So read on please and stop being another <name dropper>. Mandate for Palestine # 2 Emir Abdullah threatened to rally local Bedouin tribes for an attack on the French in Syria who insulted his Arab integrity by dethroning his brother Feisal. In Mesopotamia (Iraq), where a rebellion had been going on for months, they installed jobless Feisal as King of Iraq. His older brother, Emir Abdullah, had come up into Trans-Jordan from the independent Hejaz (which would be seized in 1924 by the Wahhabi Ibn-Saud and become Western Saudi Arabia on the name of Ibn-Saud and a new Arab Dynasty was created). (Imagine if the British would call England Tudor or Windsor England?) An idea was developed, supported by Britain's leading Arabist, Colonel T.E. Lawrence, who was at Cairo. It was to offer Abdullah the Governorship of the Trans-Jordanian Province of Palestine. In a wire to Prime Minister Lloyd George, Churchill stated that the solution would be the one insisted upon by the Prime Minister in a prior telegram, namely "while preserving Arab character of area and administration to treat it as Arab province or adjunct of Palestine." Churchill also stated that he expected Abdullah to refuse the Governorship because the territory was too small. Abdullah agreed to undertake the Governorship for six months, but he never left. Note the telegram's emphasis on continuing Trans-Jordan, Arab character and all, as part of Palestine. Preserving the Arab character of Trans-Jordan was counter to the Jewish National Home provisions of the Mandate for Palestine, not yet ratified by the Council of the League or Nations. So the British amended the Mandate for Palestine, principally by drafting a new Article 25 in April 1921. This was included in <b>the Mandate ratified by the League of Nations in July 1922,</b> which thereafter was never amended except by the British Government's Memorandum described below. A great error is made regarding Article 25 and Trans-Jordan. It is even made by Zionists. It is the view that in 1922 three-fourths of Palestine was given to the Arabs, and thereafter Palestine was limited to the area West of the Jordan River. The opening words of Article 25 disprove this statement: In the territories lying between the Jordan and the eastern boundary of Palestine as ultimately determined, ... This proves that the land on both sides of the Jordan continued to be part of the Mandate for Palestine and that the eastern border of Trans-Jordan continued to be the eastern border or the Mandate. Article 25 allowed the British, with the consent of the Council of the League, to "postpone or withhold" but not to cancel application of certain provisions of the Mandate. On September 16, 1922, the Council approved a "Memorandum by the British Government relating to its application to Transjordan," and thereafter the quoted language was included in the Mandate's title. The Memorandum should always be read as part of the Mandate. Most copies of the Mandate unfortunately omit it. The Memorandum postponed or withheld application of the Jewish National Home provisions in "the Territory known as Transjordan, which comprises all territory lying to the East" from two miles West of Akaba on the Gulf of Akaba up the Jordan and Yarmuk River to the Syrian Frontier. But of the 28 articles of the Mandate, 19 in full and parts of 3 others continued to apply in Transjordan. The Jews continued to have legal rights there, including individual settlement, although in practice the British and the Arabs excluded all Jews. Indeed, the Jewish National Fund continued to own land in Transjordan until the late 1940's. All Palestinians East and West of the Jordan traveled with a passport issued by the High Commissioner in Jerusalem. Currency in Transjordan continued to contain the three official languages (English, Arabic and Hebrew) into the early 1950's. Abdullah's Governorship was subject to the authority of the Palestine High Commissioner in Jerusalem. He was counseled by British advisers headed by a Resident as representative of the High Commissioner. Thus the promise of the Jewish National Home was withheld in Eastern Palestine, remaining in Western Palestine. Finally, on May 25, 1946, the national identity of the Palestinian Arabs was recognized, when Abdullah was proclaimed King of the Hashemite Kingdom of Transjordan. This proclamation was of doubtful legality. For example, in its presentations to the League of Nations (which existed until April 19, 1946) and the United Nations, the British falsely claimed that Palestine and Transjordan were separate Mandates, a falsehood now repeated by many who challenge the fact that Jordan is Eastern Palestine. But in 1955 Jordan (ten years later) was admitted to the United Nations. Its legality is thus accepted, and it is the Palestinian Arab Nation-State, or, stated another way, it is the Arab State in Palestine. The Jewish people are entitled to the land of Eretz Israel that is West of the Jordan River. The Arabs on the other hand have had their self-determination on 77% of the Mandate for Palestine East of the River now called Jordan since May 25, 1946 Let the two peoples, Jews and Arabs live there SIDE BY SIDE in peace and friendship. And it is not necessary in order to do so to give up either any part of the 23% of the Jewish Democratic nature of the State of Israel, nor to dislocate the 77% of the Palestine Mandate now called Jordan where Palestinian Arabs are the majority.
Far from the truth, Israel has not killed Arabs for the sake of destroying a race... Arab died when Israel retaliated or in self defense, we do not owe anyone anything... This is our country and no one has to squat here and pretend to be an indigenous person. <Coup the tete> means <cast of the dice> It does not mean coup d'etat at all. <Coup the tete> also means the urge or need to take an UNPOPULAR chance/decision. How many years does Israel has to suffer because it was a Churchillian <coup de tete>???
Israel did commit various massacres against innocent civilians, and has forced out hundreds of thousands of people during the 1948 war, 1967 war, and even after the 1948 war ended. israel also illegally confiscated many thousands of acres of Arab land to convert to Jewish private settlements, and has converted even more private Arab land into state land, to again be used for Jewish settlements. and again, Israel has been stripping Palestinians of their right to live in East Jerusalem.
We are diametrically opposed in this regard as we are in others.. Coup de tete does not mean the die is cast. colloquially it means "whim".
This is all unsubstantiated! Where the heck do you get these slanderous quotes and <faux> history. I live here but it seems you are living in <Fantasy Land or Luna Park>!!!
I at least, I am elated that finally you have spoken the truth. Never said the <die is cast> but rather <the cast of the dice> call it whim if you like, I call it an urge to take chances.
Mod edit,,flounder Make your researches from NEUTRAL sources.... do not bring in Chomsky nor Pappe... I am waiting... If you do not substantiate you would be on my ignore list... adios
That's the funniest post all year!!!!!!!!!! Putting me on your ignore list wont stop me commenting on your posts! Go on take your ball home, I will play on my own. Oh you can start with this, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deir_Yassin_massacre
Israel didn't push out hundreds of thousands of Arabs during the 1948 War? Israel didn't push out tens of thousands of Arabs by the border areas after the 1949 Armistice? Israel didn't push out hundreds of thousands of Arabs from the West Bank during the 1967 War? Israel didn't destroy hundreds of mosques? Israel didn't commit massacres during the 1948 War? Israel hasn't illegally taken thousands of acres of Arab land and used it for Jewish settlements?? wow, the Israeli education system sure does teach a lot of denial.
