British MP called to suspend any financial aid to the PA>>MOD WARNING<<

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  1. Ronstar

    Ronstar Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    when? where?

    got a quote and a link?

    I honestly think you're making it up.
     
  2. Travis007

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    Youre joking ? right?...
    Why did Jordan expel the PLO in 1970?

    Following the June 1967 Six Day War, the Palestine Liberation Organization (PLO) established its major base of operations for the war against Israel in Jordan. Throughout the late 1960s, a cycle of Palestinian guerrilla attacks followed by Israeli retaliatory raids against Jordan caused much damage to Jordan and put major strain on Jordan’s relationship with the US and other Western countries. By 1970, it was widely believed that PLO leader Yasser Arafat and other factional heads were attempting to overthrow King Hussein, who viewed their operations against Israel as a threat to Jordan.



    By 1970, Palestinians, both Jordanian citizens and refugees, were almost as numerous in Jordan as King Hussein's own Bedouins. Arafat used the estimated 20,000 Palestine Liberation Organization fighters in Jordan to exercise control over much of the Palestinian population. In many parts of the country, he was the de facto government. Jordan was seen as a waystation toward defeat of Israel and a united Palestinian Arab state encompassing Israel and Jordan. As many Palestinian Arabs put it: "the road to Tel Aviv lies through Amman".

    On September 6, 1970 militant factions of the PLO hijacked four foreign planes. They flew three to Dawson's Field in PLO-controlled northern Jordan and one to Cairo. European governments secured the release of the hostage passangers by agreeing to release PLO terrorists from their prisons. The PLO then blew up the planes.

    King Hussein decided it was time to act. Throughout September the Jordanian military launched attacks to push the PLO out of Jordan, attacks now called "Black September" by the PLO. Casualty reports are uncertain, but hundreds or perhaps thousands of PLO fadayeen were killed in the fighting and large numbers of Palestinian Arab civilians died as well. Arafat retreated to northern Jordan, close to his Syrian sponsors. Within 10 months the PLO were driven out of Jordan completely, and re-established themselves in Lebanon, a choice that led to eventual disaster for Lebanon.

    anotrher article
    Out of Jordan

    By Uriya Shavit
    The Israeli public remembers the events of Black September as the operation in which the Hashemite Kingdom of Jordan decisively eliminated a Palestinian uprising in the course of one month. The actions taken by King Hussein 32 years ago to expel Yasser Arafat and the senior Palestinian leadership from his country are used as a preferred example by those who claim that in the Middle East, the name of the game is cruelty and mercilessness. The Israeli invasion of the Palestinian cities two weeks ago sharpened the analogy between the conditions that the king faced and the method of operation he chose, and the conditions facing Israel and the method of operation it has chosen.

    But the seemingly well-known events of Black September did not last for only one month. The military struggle between Jordan and the Palestinians lasted for a year and a half. The climax came in September 1970, but the battle was won only after 10 bloody months, during which the Palestinians surprised the Jordanians with their tenacity.

    A good starting point for understanding the processes that led up to the confrontation can be found in March 1968, when Israel Defense Forces (IDF) entered the Jordanian village of Karameh, about seven kilometers east of the Jordan River, where the young and then unknown leader of Fatah, Yasser Arafat, had his headquarters. The move came in response to a series of attacks carried out by Palestinian organizations against Israel, from Jordanian territory. Prime minister Levi Eshkol declared that the goal of the operation was to prevent "a new wave of terror" against Israel. The UN Security Council condemned the action.

    Between 128 and 170 Palestinians were killed during that operation, depending which version one accepts. But, unexpectedly, even the IDF, still basking in the glory of the Six-Day War, suffered heavy casualties: 28 soldiers were killed, 80 were wounded, four tanks remained in Palestinian hands. And Yasser Arafat managed to escape. A state within a state

    The limited achievement on the battlefield captured the imagination of the Palestinians in Jordan and of the entire Arab world. Arafat was glorified as the person who had managed, to some extent, to restore downtrodden Arab dignity. Thousands of young Palestinians wanted to enlist in his organization. Fatah became the most important organization within the Palestine Liberation Organization (PLO). In the wake of the battle of Karameh, Arafat's men


    and here I am arguing with a rabid anti isreal zelot about his beloved gay Arafat and he knows nothing of this?
     
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    Ronstar Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    so you have no evidence that the Palestinians in the West Bank, in 1968, came to the West Bank from Jordan?

    I thought not. :)
     
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    I just showed you.. They were all Jordanians..even Jordan says this but they washed their hands of these neanderthals..
     
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    they BECAME Jordanians in 1950, when Jordan annexed the land.

    they didn't move there from across the river.
     
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    what you dont know is mind altering..

    Jordan Formally Annexes the West Bank
    By Richard Cavendish
    Published in History Today Volume 50 Issue 4 April 2000
    Jordan, Middle East
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    Richard Cavendish describes the events leading up to Jordan's annexation of the West Bank, on April 2
    - See more at: http://www.historytoday.com/richard-cavendish/jordan-formally-annexes-west-bank#sthash.vRFRIfCN.dpuf

    but of the Ottoman Empire by the British after the First World War. A region of desert and mountains, with its capital at Amman and its western border on the River Jordan separating it from Palestine, Transjordan was ruled by the Emir Abdullah, of the Hashemite family, the princes of Mecca, who traced their descent back to the Prophet himself through his daughter Fatima and her husband Ali. He was a brother of King Feisal of Iraq, and both of them had been involved with T.E. Lawrence in the Arab Revolt against the Turks. Afterwards Abdullah tried to persuade the British government to give him Palestine. He had to settle for Transjordan, but his appetite for the Arab territory west of the Jordan remained.

    Though it suited him to be portrayed as a simple Bedouin chieftain, Abdullah was an astute character, of broad sympathies and great personal charm. He had grown up largely in a cosmopolitan environment in Istanbul, where he had been a member of the Turkish parliament, and his experience of politics had taught him to be a realist. He spoke fluent Turkish and more English than he allowed the English to know. In 1946 Transjordan became a kingdom, independent of Britain, and in the Arab-Israeli War of 1948 King Abdullah&#8217;s Arab Legion, trained and led by British officers, took the Jewish quarter of Old Jerusalem and seized control of the West Bank area on the western side of the Jordan, which included Jericho, Bethlehem, Hebron and Nablus. The kingdom now changed its name to Jordan. The annexation of the West Bank, which more than doubled Jordan&#8217;s population, was chewed over in talks with Israel which petered out in March 1950. In April Jordan held an election for a new parliament to represent both banks of the Jordan. It met on the 24th to hear a speech from Abdullah and pass a resolution affirming support for &#8216;complete unity between the two sides of the Jordan and their union into one state&#8217; and formally incorporating the West Bank into the Hashemite Kingdom of the Jordan.

    The arrangement was not to last. There were intense rivalries between the Arab states and leaders. Abdullah looked down on the Egyptians and was not on good terms with the Saudis. His belief in the possibility of living in peace with the Jews aroused fanatical hostility and in 1951 he was shot dead entering the Al-Aqsa Mosque in the Old City of Jerusalem by a Palestinian Arab. Warned beforehand of murder plots against him, he had answered with an Arabic proverb: &#8216;Until my day comes nobody can harm me, when the day comes nobody can guard me.&#8217; He was succeeded by his son Talal and then by his grandson, King Hussein. Arab militants in Palestine refused to accept Jordanian rule and in 1964 founded the Palestine Liberation Organisation.
    - See more at: http://www.historytoday.com/richard-cavendish/jordan-formally-annexes-west-bank#sthash.vRFRIfCN.dpuf
     
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    so you STILL have no evidence that the Palestinians of the West Bank moved there from Jordan, during the 1949-1967 Jordanian rule.

    I thought not. :)
     
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    "Cavendish.... has written both on the political and social history of Great Britain and on the history of folk magic and occultism in the British Isles and Europe. Among his best-known works are The Black Arts,[1] The Tarot, A History of Magic, and the influential 24-volume set Man, Myth & Magic, which he both edited and contributed to...."

    ".....While written for a lay audience rather than for scholars....."

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Cavendish_(occult_writer)

    "History Today generally commissions its articles directly from academic authors and historians, though it does accept unsolicited essays from freelance historians and others...."

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_Today

    I'll let others draw their own conclusions.
     
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    no, many Jews are NOT Neo-Zionist extremists
     
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    Why is nobody complaining about the billions of dollars of 'aid' gifted to Israel? They are the belligerents, they have overwhelming military superiority and they are guilty of routine violations of international laws and conventions. But the Palestinians are the ones who need punishing, again? Someone explain this to me.
     
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    SO are you saying that Israel doesnt need to have an army, and that terror is acceptable?
     
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    israel commits terror all the time
     
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    Israel is fighting terror. Israel is fighting Hamas, that is recognized as terror organization.
     
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    israel is also committing terrorism against innocent civilians
     
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    Israel is fighting terror and also warning the local population on future attacks.
     
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    israel also murders innocent fishermen
     
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    After shooting a warning shot. Which means that Israel is warning local population from future attacks.
     
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    terrorism after a warning shot is still terrorism
     
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    Not very useful when there's nowhere to go, is it? Israel is the terrorist.
     
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    Lets have a look on such case:
    So as you can see, in this case, four "Palestinian" boats had strayed out of their fishing zone, which made the IDF to shot a warnin shot thoward the boats and then two of the boats got shot after warning them, and the two other were able to return to Gaza.

    Source: http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4634306,00.html

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    You need to balme with that Egypt that doesnt allow Gazans to enter Egypt, and by that makes them nowhere to go.
     
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    Why would I blame Egypt when both Israel and Egypt, with the approval of the US, agreed between themselves to close Rafah?
     
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    Today Rafah Crossing in the Egyptean side is closed due to Agyptean decision on the case of fighting terror in Sinai, that got worsed because alot of terrorists from Gaza went to Sinai and started to cause attacks on Egyptean forces.
     
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    when is the last time Egypt murdered innocent Gaza fishermen?
     
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    It doesnt change the fact that today Rafah Crossing in the Egyptean side is closed due to Agyptean decision.
     
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    doesn't change the fact that Israel MURDERS innocent Gaza fishermen
     
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