California Magazine ban struck down by federal court

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  1. dave8383

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    Trust me, if you have the time to concern yourself with the number of rounds you've fired, you have time to change a magazine.
     
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    Totally incorrect, burning through a mag without counting only to realize one is out of ammo because the bolt locked back is begging to be killed and demonstrates a serious lack of proper training, because at that point one has a useless hunk of metal in their hands and has put themselves at a serious tactical disadvantage.
     
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    https://www.ammoland.com/2019/02/ho...wner-uses-ak47-in-self-defense/#axzz5jwfaUnsZ

    https://www.ammoland.com/2017/09/de...-wounds-one-of-three-attackers/#axzz5jwfaUnsZ

    https://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2...r-uses-ak-47-to-defend-against-two-attackers/


    https://www.foxnews.com/us/iraq-war-vet-armed-with-rifle-thwarts-gas-station-break-in-police-say

    http://fmshooter.com/ar-15-for-home-defense-when-defensive-gun-use-is-labeled-as-a-mass-shooting/
    ^ Interesting point here, this entirely justified defensive shooting gets counted as a "mass shooting".



    ^ Just a few examples. That took all of 2 minutes to find man

    Jefferson was a fan of the girandoni air rifle. Fired a musket ball like projectile, entirely by air pressure. Had a 20 rd magazine and came with two air tubes. 1 air tube per magazine. The thing could fire 20 shots in succession (compared to 3 rounds a minute on average from a musket), WITHOUT MAKING NOISE OR SMOKE OR FIRE TO GIVE AWAY YOUR POSITION (obvious comparison is muskets don't do that at all), could be fired and reloaded from prone so you're not standing around waiting to get volleyed to death (can't do that with a musket), and could be FIRED AND RELOADED IN THE RAIN (muskets won't fire in the rain).
     
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    Dude you need to relax. I don't work on your schedule unless you want to start paying the fee. $150.00 an hour, I'll tell you where to venmo it to me. You game?
    If not, be patient and wait for a response.
     
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    Using an AR or AK is not the same as NEEDING 30 rounds. None of those incidents NEEDED 30 rounds to defend themselves.
     
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    Did you even read any of those links?

    The houston instance especially.
     
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    Read all of the links. No one NEEDED 30 rounds to defend themselves.
     
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    Read it. The home owner did not need to chase the perps down after they fled from his house. THAT was a choice. As I said...he didn't NEED 30 rounds to defend himself. Once he shot them they fled his home. He did a great job of thwarting the invaders and getting them to flee. He didn't NEED to chase them down and continue to shoot. Again, THAT was a choice.
     
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    They fled because he presented superior firepower: rifle over pistol for superior accuracy and control, 7.62x39 vs 9mms and .45s superior in the likelihood of one shot stop particularly in the psychological perspective (ie an AK is more likely to frighten than a pistol because its more "powerful") , 30 rd mag.
    There were 5 of them, all armed with semi auto pistols. More than 50 rds were fired, many of them from the homeowner who fought a running gun fight with these people all on his property.
     
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    They fled because they got shot. They fled and he CHOSE to pursue them outside of the house.
     
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    Yeah good thinking-disarm honest people so that the criminals have an advantage.
     
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    I agree, the arguments against citizens being able to own commonly issued civilian law enforcement defensive weapons is beyond stupid, since those arguments are also dishonest.
     
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    That's one of the silliest things I have ever read-and this is coming from someone who has shot a high high stress competitions against other Masters and Grandmasters and have seen people who shoot over 50,000 rounds a year bauble reloads.
     
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    I will never try and predict what the ninth will do other than be able to say they have a very bad track record and it will probably be something unconstitutional.
     
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    He did not chase them down, he was defending himself, his property and the residents in his home while they (the perps) where shooting at him from their car.

    If you would just open your eyes and notice all of the shell casings in the yard you might just have realized that instead of making crap up.
     
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    They fled his home. As in they were fleeing from him. Therefore he did not need to chase after them and keep shooting.
     
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    Ah, we're not talking about competitive shooting where the only threat is your own nerves. Funny stuff.
     
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    Hilarious. Keep pretending you're in a war zone.
     
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    What it demonstrates is a real-life threat where you actually need to keep pulling the trigger, not a cop show on TV.

     
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    For those that support greater firearm-related restrictions, the situation in the state of California is very poor. Even if the state of California appeals the ruling to the ninth circuit court of appeals, they have quite literally everything to lose, and nothing to gain. Even if the ninth circuit overturns the ruling by the lower court, the matter will simply be appealed to the higher courts, all the way up to the united state supreme court, which will have little reason to not take up the appeal due to the new layout of the members.

    If that appeal is indeed taken up, and the united state supreme court affirms that the second amendment applies to detachable magazines of all capacities equally, such would mean every magazine capacity restriction in the united states will simultaneously be ruled unconstitutional, and every state in the union will have absolutely no choice but to allow private citizens to purchase whatever size of magazine they wish.

    The only way for the state of California to avoid this coming to pass is to simply not appeal the decision and give up its own prohibition on magazines holding more than ten rounds of ammunition. Just as the district of columbia did not appeal the decision that they must issue concealed carry permits in a shall-issue member to every non-criminal individual that applies for one, as doing such would have affected all states equally.

    There is little doubt that the other states with similar magazine restrictions are advising the state of California to simply accept the matter and leave it be, as they will all be impacted by whatever decision may come.
     
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    It's funny to watch all these CC guys pretend they'll need a 30 round magazine in some fantasy shoot out on the street.
     
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    The term "high-capacity magazine" applies equally to magazines that hold eleven rounds of ammunition.
     
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    Give me a real situation where a civilian needed 11 rounds on the street and didn't have had time to reload.
     
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