"Call the police" Yea, right.(The sinister twist of the Zimmerman case)

So the boy did not have the right to confront someone acting suspicious himself?

 

bullsh-t

 

What about Martin's right to be on that street? Didn't Zimmerman infringe on that right by profiling him without knowing a thing about him or seeing him commit a single crime, however minor? Why does Zimmerman's right to stick his nose into other people's affairs come ahead of Martin's right to not be harassed by two-bit- cop-wanna-bees?

 

Actually, Martin would have been in his rights to confront Zimmerman, if he thought Zimmerman was acting suspicious. He also should have called the police if he thought Zimmerman's behavior was suspicious.

The real issue all comes down to who initiated physical violence. The person who initiated violence was the one in the wrong, but we have no way of knowing for sure which person that is.

 

There is absolutely no evidence that Trayvon assaulted George Zimmerman first besides the testimony of a murderer.

George Zimmerman showed concern the negro would get away. Maybe he attempted to get him to wait for police to arrive so they could "catch" him. Maybe he attempted to place him under citizen arrest. Maybe when Trayvon refused and attempted to walk away, Zimmerman grabbed him attempting to hold him in position.

WE DO NOT KNOW WHAT HAPPENED.

Zimmerman has zero credibility. He knows he is facing a murder conviction and that pressure is overwhelming and makes him much more likely to paint a story more favourable to himself than reality.

 

Zimmerman isn't a cop, so profiling regulations don't apply. As for rights, someone watching you in a public place, or asking what you are doing doesn't infringe on your rights in any way. You don't have a right to not be spoken to, or to be left alone in public. People can talk to anyone that they want. In most cases you do have the right to ignore that person and to not respond.

 

Sure, but please remember the context of my post, basically challenging the opinion of the OP. Even if we accept Zimmerman's version of events to the nth degree. We are still faced with the issue of what circumstances lead to the confrontation in the first place. At it's basest level we have a man following someone acting oddly or out of place. And the man being followed is wondering why someone is acting oddly by following him.

 

The police told him to stop following the kid, or didn't you know that. Zimmerman got himself into the situation by disobeying the police, he will end up paying a price for that piece of stupidity.

 

Under Florida, law, if Martin felt that Zimmerman meant him harm by following him, he is justified in defending himself. Zimmerman did not identify himself as a member of the watch, he simply was following Martin around the neighborhood. If Zimmerman had identified himself, I am sure Martin would not have assaulted him.

 

Confronting someone is not a crime.

Assaulting them is.

Smashing their head against concrete is.

 

those are allegations of a crime

 

Yes, a bloodied head is simply an allegation.

 

The courts have consistently held that the police have no obligation to protect citizens. The obligation of the police is to maintain public order.

In some places (Chicago, Detroit, etc) they lost control of public order.

It's to the point where some LEOs urge citizens to arm themselves for their own protection.

 

a bloodied head is not evidence of what happened prior. try again

 

Following someone around without for an hour is also considered a crime. It's called stalking. Zimmerman failed to identify himself as a member of the watch in any way, and under SYG, if Martin felt threatened by Zimmerman following him, he was justified in assaulting Zimmerman.

 

Proof that he failed to identify himself.

 

There was a police report over it.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/06/26/us-usa-florida-shooting-idUSBRE85P1HG20120626

 

1 - this whole incident took about a half-hour. Far less than the hour you claim.
2 - even based on the worst claims made by the anti-Zimmerman crowd, this incident doesn't meet the standards for stalking in Florida code. For it to be stalking, the target has to be a specific person and the perpetrator has to " willfully, maliciously, and repeatedly follow, harass, or cyberstalk another person". There is no evidence or reason to believe that Zimmerman ever followed or harassed Martin before, so it fails under the "and repeatedly" requirement at the very least.

 

But that is a direct command. The fact that it has a pleasantry at the beginning of it does not negate its directness. It's also likely thoroughly explained to the employees when they are first hired on so they already know exactly what they are expected to do. Had the operator truly needed Zimmerman not to follow Martin, all he had to do was clarify his statement when Zimmerman continued his pursuit. Which the operator did not do.

 

Oh wow, and what is the sentence for the crime of "not identifying one's self" to a violent punk?

 

According a police report, on information given by Zimmerman himself, he had two chances to identify himself. Martin asked him why he was following him before attacking, and Zimmerman did not identify himself as neighborhood watch.

 

So Druggie Trayvon attacked George for not identifying himself? It would not have made any difference because Trayvon was a violent punk.

 

So is "committing murder." The difference here is that you are essentially accusing Zimmerman of doing all this to himself.

 

No he attacked him for following him around the neighborhood while he was walking home from the store. You do understand that it's a crime to follow someone like that. Even neighborhood watch members are not allowed to follow people unless they have probable cause to believe they are committing a crime. Zimmerman, why his own admission, has no such cause. He simply had a "hunch" that he was a criminal.

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No he attacked him for following him around the neighborhood while he was walking home from the store. You do understand that it's a crime to follow someone like that. Even neighborhood watch members are not allowed to follow people unless they have probable cause to believe they are committing a crime. Zimmerman, why his own admission, has no such cause. He simply had a "hunch" that he was a criminal.

 

Getting your head bashed.

Being identified as a young woman calls for a different sentence.

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Getting your head bashed.

Being identified as a young woman calls for a different sentence.