Calling all Barracks Lawyers :-)

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  1. Herkdriver

    Herkdriver New Member

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    I would not have taken the risk and showed up at the MEPS physical intoxicated. Breathalyzer tests are often given out.
     
  2. Nightmare515

    Nightmare515 Ragin' Cajun Staff Member Past Donor

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    Yeah I was young and dumb at the time. I did a lot of stupid things back in my younger years. Thankfully it never effected my career in the long run. Hell my dumbass showed up to basic training half drunk. On civilian flight in to basic the lady sitting next to us realized we were new recruits headed to basic and told us about how proud she was and her parents were all military and whatnot. She offered to buy us all drinks, some of them refused (the smart and right thing to do) but a few of us including myself were like hell yeah my life is about to suck Ill take a drink. She kept them coming until we were inbound for landing. Got to the terminal and a bus picked us up for the short ride to in processing at the base.

    I'll never forget that day. We're all sitting in the back of the bus half drunk and carrying on goofing off. Then the bus stopped and the in processing Drill Sergeant walks on and calmly says "Alright gentleman you have exactly one minute to get off this bus and lined up in alphabetical order on the yellow line outside." We're still sitting back there laughing and what not and casually grab our bags. Then about 2.3 seconds later he walks back on the bus "GET THE (*)(*)(*)(*) OFF OF MY BUS YOU SORRY MOTHER (*)(*)(*)(*)ERS, NOW!"

    Our buzz wore off within about .03 seconds.. We just looked at each other stunned..."oooohhhh......(*)(*)(*)(*)"

    Medical studies and all of that be damned. After that I was a firm believer that it is literally possible to "scare somebody sober".
     
  3. Herkdriver

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    One aspect to military culture I was never particularly fond of, was the glamorization of alcohol consumption. It permeated the officer corps as much as it did among the enlisted. Morale patches boast of drinking and martini glasses.

    I'm not some Baptist tee totaler. I've been known to imbibe on occasion. However there is often a mixed message going on. If you choose not to drink alcohol in a social setting you're looked upon as an oddball. "What's with the Mormon."

    I took my responsibilities seriously; this takes precedent over being "one of the boys" and getting a buzz on if the following day's duty required being fully functional and not hungover.

    Sorry for going so far off-topic. I'm not pointing the finger at you of course Nightmare; you're being anecdotal...my comment is more broadly aimed at military culture taken as a whole and quite frankly alcohol consumption within the ranks was problematic at times. Glamorizing it only sends a mixed message, it's equivalent to condoning it.
     
  4. ArmySoldier

    ArmySoldier Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Haha very similar experience when I first enlisted. It's easier now because I got pushed ahead of the non prior service kids. I was expecting MEPS to last all day but the Sgt threw me up front when I walked in and it was easy.

    Needless to say it still got me nowhere lol
     
  5. Nightmare515

    Nightmare515 Ragin' Cajun Staff Member Past Donor

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    That also happened to me during my first trip to MEPS, I went to MEPS 2 damn times...

    I went to the recruiter and got paperwork done and got a small list of MOS's available. I go to MEPS and do the whole thing only to get back to the recruiting office for them to say what I wanted to do actually wasn't available. Im like what the hell? Why did you send me to MEPS then? You knew that was what i wanted to do...

    I think they do that so as to not waste time with you and make sure you are even cleared for military service before they continue dealing with you. No real point in spending days going over different MOS's only to find out that you are disqualified for military service. A good buddy of mine was disqualified at MEPS with me while trying to join the Navy. Him and I went to our respective recruiters together almost every day for weeks talking to them trying to get a feel for the different jobs and contemplating what we might want to do and all of that. Then we finally agreed to go to MEPS and he ended up getting DQ'd due to some weird heart condition he never knew he had.

    So not to sound like an ass but the Navy recruiter pretty much wasted weeks of his time with my buddy sitting down with him everyday only for him to not even be medically qualified for military service. So I assume they want to get you to MEPS ASAP just to make sure they even have a reason to talk to you any further.
     
  6. APACHERAT

    APACHERAT Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    So how many positions that have to be filled when a slot is no longer a slot ?

    When I hear the word "slot" I either think of a slot machine or the nautical term for a small passage way.

     
  7. ArmySoldier

    ArmySoldier Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Good point.

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    "Slot" is a term used very widely with government positions. Such as my brother slotted into AGR.
    Idk why the term is used, but it is used that way contemporarily.
     
  8. Herkdriver

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    Addressing Apacherat.

    I don't know the origin of the term slot as it represents a position title. Anecdotally, for me at least as far back as ROTC (early 1980s) the term was used regularly to identify positions that needed to be filled.

    It does not surprise me that the Marine Corps is more prone to use the term billet, as they are typically the most squared away service branch and acronym intensive. However I believe the term slot is used throughout the services as it relates to a personnel manning designation.
     
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    I was just pointing out in the Marine Corps it's billets not slots. No biggie, soldiers talk like soldiers while Marines talk like foul mouth sailors. :smile:
    The army has floors, walls, ceilings, stairs and doors while the Navy and Marines have decks, bulkheads, overheads, ladders and hatches.

    It was one of the reasons that the Marine Corps during WW ll created the Joint Assault Signals Company (JASCO) today known as Air Naval Gunfire Liaison Companies (ANGLICO) As the story goes on some island in the Pacific an Army infantry company was trying to call for a naval shore fire support mission and because soldiers talk like soldiers and sailors talk like sailors things got confusing and the naval guns put their rounds right on top of the army infantry company.

    The same use to be true with a Close Air Support missions. Pilots, aviators have their words they use and even Navy and Marine aviators had their own words they used. I was looking at the current JP 3-09, Joint Fire Support manual and I see the procedure for calling in a CAS mission is still the same as it was during the Vietnam War except so everyone is on the same page some words and acronyms have changed so everyone understands each other but there are still problems and you still have to many fratricide incidents because there's a communication breakdown.
     
  10. ArmySoldier

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    Navy rank got me bad one time.

    I saw two sailors (both female) and they were walking right towards me. They had what I thought a bird on their covers, so naturally (this was RIGHT out of OSUT) I though they were 0-6s and saluted them.

    All I got in return was the most awkward salute back and a cute giggle.
     
  11. Nightmare515

    Nightmare515 Ragin' Cajun Staff Member Past Donor

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    Navy ranks still screw up my simple brain to this day.

    I remember one time we had to do a joint exercise with some Sailors. We arrived and I approached a group of guys asking who was the big fish in charge so we could talk and get things set up. They said "Our Lieutenant is waiting for you over there, he will take you to the Captain". I say ok thanks. So I walk "over there" for awhile looking for their LT. I couldn't find this guy so I walked up to a Captain and asked him if he knew where LT so and so was. He says "Yup that's me how are you doing? The Captain is in his office waiting I'll take you to him"

    I'm like "OK what? Are you Captain so and so?" He laughs and says "No I wish, I've got a few more years before that I think".

    Alright these guys are (*)(*)(*)(*)ing with the dumb Army guy haha funny.

    Then we meet the Colonel and he says "Hello there, I'm Captain so and so, I see you have already been introduced to Lieutenant so and so, please have a seat and we'll talk about our upcoming exercise".

    I stand up and laugh, "Alright Sir's I'll admit that was pretty funny, but you guys can go switch your ranks back with the other guys you are going to screw up my other Soldiers outside haha"

    The Colonel looks at me dumbfounded "Pardon? I'm not sure I understand what you mean?"

    Im like "Yeah I get it, we do the same thing to our new guys, whenever a new guy shows up we all swap ranks and pretend to be other people to mess with them, it always gets them. Making one of our Privates the 1SG and one of out LT's the Company Commander and stuff, it's pretty funny I'll admit"

    The Colonel pauses for a moment and rubs his chin then just throws his head back and starts laughing hysterically.

    "haha I don't think you understand, Our "Colonels" are called Captains, our "Captains" are called Lieutenants, our "Lieutenants" are called Ensigns or Lieutenant Junior Grade, we weren't messing with you Sir I forgot you Army boys probably didn't know that".

    ..........

    Lovely, I just made an ass out of myself in front of the Navy O-6 that I had to spent the next week battle planning with.... Excellent first impression LOL
     
  12. ArmySoldier

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    Haha yep that always confused me. My brother is an O3 in the Army and he got turned around when he met a Navy 02. He texted me to google their rank to make sure he wasn't with some imposter.
     
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    Gets even better with the Navy, officers below the rank of commander (0-5) are usually addressed as "Mister" then their last name.

     

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