Can an a Christian God exist?

Blocking Him from your own mind does not make Him go away. Evil exists because choices allow freedom. Without freedom we would be robots. That is what you seem to demand because you think you know better. Well you seem to exercise your own freedom of choice. The freedom of unbelief. Not a very good choice in my estimation. Especially if you believe we are called to a greater purpose beyond this life.

 

Or.......
the most powerful most fundamental energy intelligence regards
CHOICE as practically as sacred as LIFE?

And... has a plan to bring us all back after we learn our lessons
from making choices?

http://www.near-death.com/experiences/notable/christian-andreason.html#a04h

 

Oh, I would very much disagree with that logic, in fact the opposite is sort of my point. I didn't intend to postulate that point at all.

I agree, there is some possibility that there is something like Q from star trek (although the odds seem overwhelmingly against it). But more importantly, my argument is that if nothing were created by god, from a philosophical sense, doesn't that god become an unnecessary byproduct? If everything can arrive on the scene without any help, or interference, then there is no point in an all powerful being.

 

I the reason for all of these is the biochemistry in our brain that evolved in order to help us maintain homeostasis. This is a limitation that can even be overcome with drugs. An all powerful being shouldn't even have to pause. In fact, if anything, it would have taken more effort to impose these things on us.

If i were all powerful, of course, and I'm not even omniscient. Anything bad, any suffering, I would just make it not exist. Again, it had to take a certain amount of effort to come up with the idea of a negative.

I don't understand, why limit yourself for no reason. You don't get bored, that's a biological thing. In fact, another paradox arises from the concept of all powerful when you realize there is no reason for it to do anything. You wouldn't have motivation (that's a biological process that many animals don't have), you don't get bored, you don't have goals or dreams because those are all functions of limitations. You are all powerful, there is nothing to overcome. The first thought that pops into your head is that you would get bored. Well, you are all powerful, snap your fingers and change bored to not bored, but you wouldn't have to because the only reason we get bored is because that is the way our minds evolved, other animals don't get bored. We need boredom to keep us exercising our brains or to motivate us to do things we need to do to survive. No need for this if you are under no threat. Plus, when you think about it, creating holocaust because you are bored is a pretty crappy thing to do.

Again, no reason to love, most animals don't. It's a biological process designed to perpetuate the species. It isn't a universal truth. But let's say it is a universal truth, why is it one? Out of infinite possibilities, why that? Because it feels good? That seems biological too. Again, you have to never stop asking "why."

 

Well, if it were still possible, I'd say talk to someone from the crusades, or the inquisition, or the salem witch trials. I'm talking about a modern japan that poses no real threat of another death march.

 

So, why is choice important? It could pick anything it wanted to be important, so why choice? Is that a fundamental to the fabric of all reality? If so why?

Why do we have to learn lessons? With some minor adjustments to brain function, we could learn anything we wanted by lets say reading about them. We do this to some extent anyway, why make suffering a fundamental requirement for learning?

 

But you have.You're not asking why, you're trying to claim God doesn't exist without doing your home work. Your scope is too narrow and focused only on the Bible. If there's a God it'll be the same one for everybody. Two thirds of earth's population doesn't believe in the Bible.
You might try finding out what some of them believe is God's nature. There's no growth without struggle. There's also great pleasure in life, which is why most souls can't wait to reincarnate. I went to Caholic school, but there were just too many contradictions to overcome and the indoctrination never took hold. So for awhile, I would spout the same atheist arguments. But I also had numerous paranormal experiences, so I knew there was more than just this life and I kept looking for an explanation. I started going to the Theosophical Society and reading everything. The other side is there and it has nothing to do with religion or faith.

 

Again, I regret phrasing the question the way i did in the original topic. What I mean is that an all-good all-powerful creator is incompatible with world we live in today.

As for paranormal experiences, I'm afraid those are well studied and documented, and can't be submitted as any sort of evidence.

 

That is a symptom of "narcissism".....a trait that is foreign to God.

 

But it can't be a foreign trait, he had to create it.

 

Oh....so you are saying the Japanese have "arrived". That was only 60 years ago. In this country the snowflakes are still melting over the tragedy of slavery which ended over 160 years ago. It all depends on your political agenda. Of course it took two atomic bombs to turn Japan around although latent racism does exist in their culture. You just feel you have a moral high ground to condemn America....that's all.

 

And, (continuing the thought from my last post) It's more than that. Humility had to be created as well. But moreover, the decision to limit himself would have to be completely and utterly arbitrary. The fact that humility leads to good things was a consequence that was up to him. There was nobody to show off to, nobody to please. It was simply all up to him, or it was up to someone or something else.

 

It is a trait foreign to God's will. Remember....He gives us choices. It's all about contrasts. He wills you to sacrificial giving, however you can be narcissistic. You get to choose.

 

I'm not trying to condemn America in any shape or form. I'm saying that Japan, in its current state is a modern, peaceful, lawful country that has no christian tradition. And that you can take any country no matter what their tradition and find brutal barbaric things.

As for the snowflakes, I'm glad we have them. Honest regret for terrible things done is the mark of a society or person that is successful and honest. But, we digress into politics.

 

There are things that are not a consequence of free will. Spontaneous combustion perhaps, why don't our pant's literally catch on fire when we lie, but we can choose to be narcissistic? Why don't we turn into unicorns when we decide to turn left? It's because of the way reality is laid out, so an all powerful creator had to make those decisions in order to lay it out that way.

 

That is my point entirely. That is the nature of the human species. That is why we need a Savior.

 

Again....you seem opposed to the idea of "free will" or "choice". You seem opposed to the idea of contrasts.

 

Like science.

 

I'm not opposed to the idea, I just have to ask where it came from. Where did the need for contrasts come from? Why can free will lead to holocausts, but not unicorns? Why can it lead to scientific discovery, but not evil flying monkeys? No matter what, some rules had to be set out in some way, so who set those rules up that way and why?

 

How is it possible for a god to be "perfect" and yet create an imperfect world with imperfect humans? Doesn't that imperfect creation mar god's "perfection"?

The concept of an omnipotent and/or omniscient god is equally full of logical paradoxes.

 

Go back to the Stone Age and asking why was answered with "godditit". That gave rise to religions and deities by the thousands and none have ever been verified to be factual.

However asking the question why never stopped because "goddidit" is an unsatisfactory answer.

The pursuit of asking why has resulted in our current science based knowledge of the universe.

So yes, science is preferable to religion if you are serious about the answers to the question why.

 

Why make such a mystery of life. It is wrong to do wrong, and right to do right. Then trust in God, or that in the end, it all works to the good. To reckon that you must know before you believe, is to presume to arrive before you leave. One must be patient. The gospel isn't about framing eternity to our view, but rather about internal reconstruction. It's about repentance, baptism, faith, and practicing gospel principles such as forgiveness.

 

Here's how it happens.

 

Very good vid. Send it to the vatican and all other religious institutions.

 

The ridiculous claim is that we are creations of chance, drifting through a relatively short life span with no purpose beyond that. It is being instilled in us by a public school system, a news media, part of the science community and forces unseen.