Can Anyone Explain This?

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  1. Not The Guardian

    Not The Guardian Well-Known Member

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    I'll guess...fracking?
     
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    Not The Guardian Well-Known Member

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    Correct.
     
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    Hotdogr Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Is this a 'must be fracking' answer, or a 'I have proof it's fracking' answer? Just curious. If the former, then... great. If the latter, please expound.

    (And before you paint me as pro-fracking, and proceed to call me an idiot, I have not yet come to any personal opinion on the issue. I am merely gathering information.)
     
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    I lived in a geologically stable region but very deep mining projects resulted in minor tremors, there was physical man made change to the regions geology...knock the foundations from under a house and it becomes unstable...

    Pumping millions of gallons of water into a highly fractured geogical formation must have some effect....pump water under a house and it will become unstable...every action is accompanied by a reaction...
     
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    So typical! You have no evidence and spout off. Nice!
     
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    So typical! You have no evidence or knowledge of the subject but you choose to mindlessly deny. Pathetic!
     
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    So why has Obama done anything to stop it?
    Why hasn't he demanded we all live off solar yet.
     
  9. jc456

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    What do I need evidence of? The facts are you are the one saying that CO2 is increasing and as such we are doomed. Why should I prove it isn't? You should prove it is since you and yours started the lie!
     
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    Apparently nothing, at least in your own mind. Of course, rational people might not choose to deny the overwhelming worldwide scientific consensus on the reality and dangers of AGW without any evidence, but hey, you go your way of irrationally denying science and we'll go ours of trusting the testimony of the world scientific community and our own eyes. Lots of luck with that.



    LOLOLOLOLOL.....are you actually denying that the CO2 levels in Earth's atmosphere are still increasing and have already increased by 43% since 1850???......LOLOLOL.....got any evidence???......LOLOL....

    As to the consequences of the 43% increase in CO2 levels, we may not be "doomed" as yet, or we may already be doomed and just not realize it yet, but in any case, the consequences of this massive increase in CO2 levels are going to be severe, and they will get increasingly severe the longer we keep adding 30 billion more tons of CO2 to the atmosphere every year. Consequences like the loss of trillions of dollars in coastal infrastructure and many cities we've spent centuries building as sea levels rise faster and faster, mass starvation as agricultural systems fail due to changes in climate patterns and rainfall and the loss of summer ice in the mountains to feed the rivers, millions of climate refugees swarming over borders, and wars over shrinking resources and water sources, to name a few.




    Well, first off, you can't "prove it isn't" because, in fact, CO2 levels are rising and temperatures are rising right along with the CO2.

    As to just "why" you would want to try to "prove" that CO2 levels and temperatures aren't rising when they very obviously are rising.....well, the minds and motivations of you denier cultists are a mystery to most people so it is very hard to say just why you cultists deny reality.

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    Global Temperature & CO2 Concentration Since 1880. Data from NOAA's National Climate Data Center (NCDC) & Oak Ridge National Laboratory. (source: Woods Hole Research Center)




    Leaving aside the fact that there are no "proofs" in science (a fundamental fact about science that has somehow escaped you) some scientifically established facts are that CO2 is a greenhouse gas and that increased levels of CO2 cause warming and that mankind has increased CO2 levels by about 43% so far (and still climbing). These facts are affirmed by virtually the entire world scientific community. You choose to deny the scientific reality behind that consensus but all that you poor dupes in this astroturfed cult of AGW denial have going for you are the crackpot dogmas and fraudulent pseudo-science that your puppet-masters in the fossil fuel industry have fed to you. In a choice between mindless, evidence-less denial of established science, and rational acceptance of the testimony of the vast majority of the experts, the actual climate scientists, I, and most of of the rational, intelligent people in the world choose the science.
     
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    Nope. Not denying an increase of CO2, what I am denying is it affects temperatures. You have merely pointed to two things that have increased with no proof of either influencing or causing the other. How about showing that first?
    Can you prove that isn't a natural habitat occurance?


    You are not very smart are you?
    Nope. Not denying an increase of CO2, what I am denying is it affects temperatures. You have merely pointed to two things that have increased with no proof of either influencing or causing the other. How about showing that first?


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    Global Temperature & CO2 Concentration Since 1880. Data from NOAA's National Climate Data Center (NCDC) & Oak Ridge National Laboratory. (source: Woods Hole Research Center)




    It's funny that there are no proofs in science. That's simply hillarious. Right take your word for it.

    Simply put you have the onus of evidence since you're crying wolf. I can see and feel that there hasn't been climate change where I live. You're saying there is and can't prove it. You can't prove the warming climate isn't natural, so you're asking me to prove it is. Now that's special.

    BTW, your world wide support is silly. I don't think you've done your homework my friend.
     
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    Hey, I heard that Japan had an earthquake this year. Are they fracking?
     
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    Of course it has nothing to do with the fact that underlining the entire area are minor fractures and faults. Wasn't the worst earthquake in the history of the US in that area?
     
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    Sorry, I meant to write this week. argh!
     
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    Nothing more than political voodoo science. Nothing has been proven by hard scientific fact. Just trying to pour mjore money into the pockets of greedy politicians and big corporations. "overwhelming worldwide scientific consensus", Yeah, right.
     
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    Take a look at this -

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