Can atheism coexist with religion?

It's expected that you completely disallow that it could be based on observation or simply because of interaction with certain individuals. I am unsurprised that you would not acknowledge that at least some of the atheists are exactly as I described. You are like a cop who, while honest himself, turns a blind eye to corruption while holding the "blue line". Ergo, "honest" or not, it's dishonest to condone corruption even if only by ignoring it.

Nice slight. What churches are you accusing me of building or attending? Are you smart and man enough to admit you don't have a ****ing clue? What religion are you assuming I belong?

 

Well that's a far cry from most.

What slight I'm dead serious. And the "your" was in general but are you saying you are not of religious faith? You certainly do not speak of yourself as an atheist of speak of us in the third person. If I offended you I stand in great embarrassment and apology deeply.

That being said, I encourage people of religious faith to not only celebrate their religious faith but live according to it as I live by my moral beliefs. I love lots of religious music some of the most beautiful ever written. I take pictures of country churches as I travel.

 

Great! So if someone said "you" atheists are all sexual deviants, you'd have no problem with the "you" in general? Jesus ****ing Christ. Get real or be taken for some Twentysomething atheist who doesn't know his ass from a hole in the ground.

Again, not a single atheist who has slammed me for my "religion" has the spine, much less the balls or wit, to name the religion they so often accuse me of supporting or belonging. Is there any wonder why so many people have such a low regard for "you" atheists?

 

Yeah, but if one wants something bad enough, all the communication and reason will do no good if the use of force can get us that something.

 

What exactly do you have your panties all in a was about? Why don't you just state what are your beliefs?

 

Hence the veneer of reason and civilization on human beings is much thinner than most of us want to believe. Fan riots after European soccer games is one example.

 

Sweetie, you're the one with your panties in a twist. You're the one who made the accusation then weaseled out with a "Oh, but it was a universal 'you'!" The fact remains none of the smug atheists on this forum have a ****ing clue about my beliefs, religious or otherwise, yet they are very damn quick to slam me for what they assume are my beliefs. It's "you" who are the real problem, not me. It's "you" who are spreading the hate against others, not me. "You" and your friends need to get grow up, man up and get a ****ing grip. Stop whining about what others believe and focus on your own beliefs.

If you can't do that, then study Camus and his argument for the most serious philosophical problem.

 

Or a super bowl win, a world series title, lots of riots all over. We here in the good old USA aren't immune to that sort of thing.

Although it seems to be relative recent. I can't remember any riots after World Series wins back in the 50's or 60's. Or after a college won the national championship or the early super bowls. I could be wrong, but I don't remember any. I tried to google that fact, but got nothing. With google though, sometimes the search phrase has to be exact or just the right words.

Here's the closest I came to finding riots after a championship.

https://mic.com/articles/102836/5-other-cities-that-rioted-after-championship-games#.BRj6ETliZ


I know there's more. Perhaps we're turning from a more well behaved society to a rowdier one. At least after sporting events. Perhaps the bottom line is we're not as civilized as we like to think we are. Just animals with a larger brain than most that allows the animal in all of us to take over at times.

We, even humans tend to fall into the predator/prey syndrome that effects all the animal kingdom.

 

As I immediately answered when you asked, your question does not address reality. I see two possibilities. You're either being irrational, or you're being deliberately dishonest. I'm being kind by starting with the assumption you're irrational. You're welcome. Yes, kindness is my middle name.

More irrationality, as I never said or implied any such thing. Disagreement isn't what makes you irrational. Making fake claims about most atheists makes you irrational. Not addressing what people actually say makes you irrational. Constantly evading the issues being discussed by way of weasel world-parsing games makes you irrational. If you could support your points, whatever they are, you wouldn't have to play such games.

Given the displayed evidence, I've reluctantly changed my mind. You've faked stories about what I supposed believe too many times to write it off as an accident. I therefore conclude that your ongoing dishonesty must be deliberate. Is dishonesty a tenet of your current religion, whatever that is? Now I'm curious about your religion, so you've accomplished that. I want to know how you justify your behavior in respect to your religion. Why? Because I find the study of abnormal psychology to be interesting.

Given your behavior, most people have drawn certain conclusions about how you act. You make up stories about others supposedly believe, so you're being dishonest. You always evade the point with weasel word-parsing games, and you refuse to back up your unsupported claim that _most_ atheists on this board are angry or violent, so you're being intellectually craven.

I really was hoping you wouldn't disappoint me. You did, and now I'm bummed. Thanks to you, I now have less faith in humanity. Is that also a goal of your religion?

 

The Bolshevik Revolution.

Maybe it would be, were there any reason to believe proof is a requirement for knowledge.

Not sure what good that's gonna do you. Satan has known that with certainty from the beginning, and from the time he became what he is, he has had no greater desire than to rid himself of that knowledge.

Well certainly it would seem in principle that atheism can exist with itself; but I'm pretty sure that in practice, were atheists left entirely to themselves, most would be devouring each other in short order.

Funny how no such rule seems ever to have escaped the lips of Christ Himself.

And all that without anyone but "His own disciples" breathing a word of any of it. Talk about miracles, huh?

 

Neither, but thank you for your opinion.

BTW, you seem to project a lot of anger and love to accuse others of being irrational when you are consistently emotional, irrational and non-factual as anyone else. Why do you see yourself as superior? Because you think "When you're dead, you're dead!"?

You seem a little uptight. Maybe a little Alan Watts would relax you:

 

Only a theist would believe that anyone "owns science"!

 

If morality is "hardwired" in animals then it is also "hardwired" into humans since we share the same DNA that forms our brains.

Worth noting that sociopaths who have no morality obviously lack this "hardwiring" which would be evidence that normal humans do have "hardwired" morality.

Furthermore in order for morality to be a survival advantage it would have to be "hardwired" in ALL species.

There are a great many problems with religions not the least of which is that they are abused as a means to control people and make them do things that are immoral in the name of their imaginary deity. This is documented fact in your bible and it has occurred as recently as wanting to obstruct gay marriage and ban abortion in this nation.

Those that refuse to acknowledge that religion is harmful to humanity are only deluding themselves. Yes, there is merit is what some religious people do for others but there is none whatsoever in the immoral teachings of religions that espouse hatred and bigotry towards others.

 

Humans do not seem to have any single innate code of ethics or morality. We do seem to have a tendency to create moral codes in general. They vary from place to place, and even person to person. But there does seem to be an innate drive to fill the void of the universe with *some* kind of judgment or standard. Even among those of us who are atheists, few people can entirely avoid doing this. I’m not sure I want to meet the ones who can.

 

You think Moses did not exist? Strange. And the Buddha Siddhartha Gautama, also called Shakyamuni, asked "the truth" whether he should teach what he found out. A river and a bowl brought him the answer.

 

Liars, idiots or evildoers. Any other interpretation possible?

 

Promoting a product that you have to spend your entire life and at least 10% of your wealth buying and that you can only use after you die sounds like a scam to me.

 

I love it when non-believers try to teach me my religion.

No, the world clearly does not know about the ideas of Jesus Christ when the only thing they get out of it is that Jesus was a zombie or that there is a "Sky Daddy" up there somewhere who grants your wishes like a genie in a bottle. We know about the propaganda others have spread, now we need to spread the truth.

 

Why should an atheistic animal show morality - except on reason of mimicry? And why do you think people, who try to be good human beings believing in god, have no chance not to be evil?

 

Moving the goalposts again?

Denial of scientific knowledge on your part does not negate any of that knowledge.

The Laws of Physics rule out a "creation" event from "nothing" because matter/energy can neither be created nor destroyed. Onus is on theists to refute the laws of physics. Get back to us when you can.

Eye witness testimony is notoriously UNRELIABLE and has been used to convict the innocent. Anecdotes are meaningless and carry no weight whatsoever.

Onus is entirely on theists to PROVE their bogus "intelligent design" drivel. It was thrown out of court the last time they tried since it has zero scientific basis whatsoever.

Yes, I do find it highly amusing that anyone is gullible enough to swallow the ID nonsense.

 

Social animals follow the same 5 basic moral codes as humans have. Respect for parents/elders, don't murder, don't screw around on your mate (for pair bonded animals), don't steal and don't deceive others of your own kind.

No need for any deities to follow those basic moral codes.

 

I really have no idea what you are talking about, I rather suspect that you do not either.
But keep going with the anger.

 

And Kode thinks the whole world knows the Gospel. This is the propaganda I was talking about in post #169 ^.

 

And what is that truth?

 

Welcome to the "Accepted Reality Club", bbut take heart as this one is in no way a representation of humanity any more than Atheists are angry and violent against the religion he will not admit to.