Can I convince PF's resident truthers that American 77 hit the Pentagon?

Holston, stick to one item at a time. You are flooding the board to make it harder to respond.

The fighters took off over the ocean because that is their normal route when leaving the runway. Keeps them from ramming commercial traffic headed for the local airport.

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Holston, stick to one item at a time. You are flooding the board to make it harder to respond.

The fighters took off over the ocean because that is their normal route when leaving the runway. Keeps them from ramming commercial traffic headed for the local airport.

 

Nice Gish Gallop. Fine, I'll play.

Your link is fraudulent.

http://therightbloggerbastard.blogspot.co.nz/





Hani Hanjour Summary

[video=youtube;KYebkDnXnJ8]http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=KYebkDnXnJ8[/video]

Top of your second source;
"For about 35 minutes after the second plane hit the WTC, the military was tracking Flight 77 as it approached Washington DC, with Dick Cheney in command. And yet an aerial attack was successful against one of the most heavily guarded locations in the country"

Your second source is also fraudulent. The military had no intel on the target later identified as AA77 until 3 minutes before it impacted the Pentagon. The SS knew of it as far as 20 miles out, but the FAA did not pass it on to the military. If you listened to the USNORTHCOM tapes, you would know this. But you prefer ignorance. Cheney was making his way to the PEOC when AA77 hit (and No, I know what you're going to say - 'but Mineta's testimony blah blah' Mineta was off by over a half hour. Cheney did not reach the PEOC until AFTER AA77 hit the Pentagon, and Mineta did not enter until after 10am. Mineta was mistaken for UA93, not AA77). He wasn't in command of anything. To say otherwise is an absolute lie. Heavily guarded.. baseless speculation. A nuclear power plant would be more heavily guarded than the Pentagon.

And yet again, your third link is also fraudulent. Nice misquotes. A had to lol when you try and pass off that AA77's descent was "smooth". AA77's bank in that final turn varied between 15 and 42 degrees. It was terrible;



See for yourself. Did you view the FDR analysis? Or are you like Fraud where you refuse to even click on the link you're here arguing about? Here's i'll even link it.

[video=youtube;3vqDDlS9Hyw]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3vqDDlS9Hyw[/video]
You can skip to 1:18:30 to view it for yourself if you're incapable of interpreting a graph.

You're basing your belief on probability? What. The. ****. No wonder you have a hard time grasping reality. Well heck, the Titanic shouldn't have sunk, what are the chances the Captain would call for faster speeds the same night it happened to find a very large iceberg which breaks through just enough to put it just beyond the ability to stay afloat. I guess you shouldn't exist, as it was a million to one that your old man met your mother and decided to copulate at the exact time that your DNA was swimming in amongst millions of others like you, and your one managed to beat them all to the finish. Probability works for estimating future possibilities, it is useless of speculating on the past of what "could" or "should" have happened. The fact you are using it to try and say it's impossible for AA77 to hit its target its laughable.

And yet they chose a massive conspiracy over planting WMDs or "faking" the finding of WMDs? Iraq was never justified, it was the most unpopular war in history from day 1. 9/11 did nothing for it. They were going in there whether 9/11 happened or not, everyone knows that. If anything 9/11 set Bush's Iraq plans back because he then had to deal with Afghanistan and al Qaeda. Bush didn't see Bin Laden as a threat. He was fixed on Iraq, he didn't give two ****s for Bin Laden and that is also well known.

He announced it, so what? It was first known about since FY 1999, before Bush was ever elected. Do you know why Rumsfeld announced it? Go on, let me see if you can find out. Why did Rumsfeld announce the 2.3T? What was the purpose? Let's see if you can get this one.

Without knowing it, you've touched on how the money got unaccounted for in the first place. Let's see if you can answer the question above, and then you'll understand where the money went.

Ah yes, here it comes, the antisemetism which is so ripe in the 9/11 conspiracy world. You try and create a legitimate front to express your preexisting predujice. And out it comes...

You fail at understanding the military drills. No hijacked aircraft were to hit any targets. Anywhere. That is fabrication which has no official source. NEADS did the best they could on 9/11. They were not distracted, engaged, or busy doing anything else. They got the call at 0837, nine minutes before AA11 impacted the North Tower. Over the course of the morning they scrambled F-15's from Otis at 0846, F-16's from Langley at 0924, and more from Toledo and Selfridge. They found out about a second hijack when UA175 hit the South Tower. They found out about AA77 via Colin Scoggins/Boston TMU 3 minutes before it hit the Pentagon. They found out about UA93 seven minutes after it had already crashed. Communication. There was little. Fog of war, it happens. A surprise attack. The very reason for it. Listen to the USNORTHCOM tapes. Educate yourself of what happened over the skies on 9/11. I know it fluently. And I know you are ignorant, I know you are wrong on every point.

Again the ignorance flows so freely from you. PANTA were not sent over the Atlantic, they were sent to Manhattan but held in military airspace until the FAA could get them clearance through one of the busiest, and now chaotic, airspaces in the world.

QUIT fighters took a standard scramble heading upon departure. The pilots did not know the urgency of their scramble and elected to continue of the standard scramble given. It made no difference. At all.

You call them stooges, when they did the best of their ability. Your ignorances leads you to blame them, but you don't know better. Worse, you don't want to know better. You're happy stuck in your cognitive bubble blaming these guys when in fact all you are doing is showing how little you know about the entire situation.

You link a 9/11 myths page, I bet you never read it. You'd know better if you had.

I never said anything of the sorts. Again, find out for me why he was announcing it. Engage the brain, let's see if you can figure this one out. It was accounted for in 2002. You seem to want to forget that little bit of information.


And a Gish Gallop to finish off a Gish Gallop. Fitting.

[video=youtube;AiNy0Z5csIs]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AiNy0Z5csIs[/video]

My own response to its misleading/fabricated contents.

But you digress. This video has little to do with our topic, and even less to do with reality. You rely of rubbish as your defense to your ignorance. No wonder 9/11 truthers have failed to accomplish anything in 12 years, you cannot even get the basics right.

http://therightbloggerbastard.blogspo t.co.nz/

Care to actually view it now?

 

Who says?

The difference between that form and another could be as little as one check in a box.
And I'm supposed to ignore everything else. Right?


Why should I take the words of a self professed bastard anyway?
He's not one of those Inglorious Basteeerds is he?

Excuse me for deleting the flight manifest. Your bud is complaining about the length of MY posts.

The manifest does nothing to disprove either controlled demolitions or prior knowledge.



Proves what? That the statements made by the instructors and others were made up?


Was that the video that was shown in which the guys pictured were not at the airport they were purported to be?

I can understand WHY you say that all of the posted sources are fraudulent, for the simple reason that that they contradict the Kosher story.

But who is to say that those sources are "fraudulent" as you say and YOURS are not?

It isn't enough to say that a source is fraudulent. You must say whether a particular point is in error or that a false statement has been made.

You haven't done so.

I imagine it WOULD be. Precisely my point.

Pardon me, but I am not going to sit and watch an animated film for an hour and a half. This means as much to me as the NIST computer animation of the collapse and carries about as much weight.

I think you KNOW what it is that I am saying.

There was a LONG string of UNLIKELY events which when taken ALTOGETHER all point to the conclusion that 9/11 was no accident and that there was far more involved than the simple line we have been fed, which I'm not swallowing by the way. You know what they say about nice people. You are obviously a very nice person.

There are many events which when viewed in isolation are improbable. In fact, the likelihood of SOME improbable events occurring is statistically PROBABLE, as paradoxical as that may sound. But when you take a long string of events occurring at the same time in such a way as they should be LINKED to one another in an harmonious fashion, THAT is when the "law of large numbers" begin to stack against them ALL happening at once.

I repeat. You may fool someone who has no understanding of probabilities. This is much more difficult even with someone who has only an intuitive grasp of the concept.

I believe you do.

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Is that right?
I don't think so. It is unlikely at that time that the American public would have tolerated such a massive undertaking, if not for moral reasons, for economic and strategic ones. Congress may jump when AIPAC tells them to, but let's not forget that the masses are as ignorant about it's machinations as they are of the workings of the Federal Reserve.

Now that we have the "PATRIOT Act" and the National Defense Authorization Act in place, as well as, what is that other one that gives the Prez the authority to seize control of all infrastructure? ,..................I doubt if public opinion matters near so much.

That's why despite peoples comments like the late Hugo Chavez saying that the US is on the verge of downfall, we still hear all the sabre rattling pundits talking about invading Iran.

Talk about a laugh..........the way they use the word "Patriot"............now THAT's a joke.
If it wasn't on the Goy boys answering the call to duty, I doubt if you would think it was so funny.

The Patriots of 1776 went to war on far less provocation than we are getting from the Zionist regime right now!

Let's see what he said:

http://search.yahoo.com/search?p=Rumsfeld+announces+the+missing+trillions&ei=UTF-8&fr=moz35

I could think up plenty of excuses for about anything provided I am have the necessary jargon at hand. But I'd rather hear the ones you guys make up. I'm sure YOUR sources would do a much more professional looking job.

Quotes heard in film:

" Those numbers are pie in the sky. The books are cooked year after year."

"It may never know where those 20% went. I'm Vince Gonzales with Eye on America."

Gee Whiz. If they knew where the money was, then why say it was "unaccounted for".

And if there is something "missing" in the average slobs interpretation of the news, why didn't these geniuses not just provide all us stupid goy with the answers to begin with?

No NO! You have it BACKWARDS. The REASONS for the prejudice come FIRST, not the other way around.

It's not until AFTER I figure out out what a bunch of people are like that I become "prejudiced" against them.
But I'm not so sure the right word to apply to this situation is "prejudice". That implies some sort of irrational dislike that has no basis in fact.
I'm not "prejudiced" against poison ivy, but it still makes me break out in a rash. Likewise I wouldn't exactly say that I am "prejudiced" against someone who lies to and steals from me, or even when they're doing it to someone else.

Surely you can agree with that.

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I love the way you people like to pepper your excuses with serial numbers and obscure acronyms. It reminds me of that saying about dazzling them with Bull (*)(*)(*)(*). How is it that goes?

I'm sure you could post an exam for air traffic control or something to measure my knowledge of avionics or explosives and I would fail the test. But am I supposed to ignore all the information that doesn't require a PhD to understand.

Don't you know that the economic pirates depend on the calculus of finance to hide what they do from the ignorant people they fleece?

I heard about a bunch of air traffic controllers statements were taken and shredded and the remnants scattered about.
A few lies here, a few lies there, some quibbling over what time it was exactly and so on, and this thing gets more and more like the plot of a Perry Mason movie. Unless someone had an encyclopedic knowledge of everyone who worked in the Pentagon and everything they knew I doubt if anyone could know so much that some disinformation agent couldn't toss in a red herring or two.

It's like Mineta's testimony. You guys didn't like it, so they just say, "Well he's just mixed up."

Everyone that breaks the Kosher seal is demented in some way.

http://www.911truth.org/article.php?story=20050724164122860

I guess we might as well resign ourselves that our air space is indefensible.
I don't know why they even bother.
All it takes is couple of Camel Jockies and our goose is cooked.

http://newsmine.org/content.php?ol=9-11/norad-faa-response/jets-from-langley-sent-towards-atlantic-ocean.txt

http://www.lookingglassnews.org/viewstory.php?storyid=3907

So tell us how it is that YOU know so much.

Yes I knew it was from a "myths" page. That's what makes the information I drew from it so much more forceful.

That's why I like to draw from pages like the Hareetz. When you guys try to deny information from them you are forced to discredit YOUR OWN SOURCES!

Neat huh?

 

Lets see if my magic trick works in this thread as well.

Since all you skeptics want to talk about 9-11, who wants to talk about the put options bought before 9-11?

 

That's odd. The link above was broken before I posted it.

Anyway, I did watch it. I would call it "After the fact damage control."

 

They don't really want to talk about it. I heard that financial analysts said that the Put Options were 250 times above normal and only on the airlines and companies taking a hit that day.
This is hardly due to chance.
But you can bet your booties they have an excuse for this one as well.

If they don't they will just post Hani Hanjours birth certificate or something.

 

It was hilarious to see in the other thread these guys reading from the playbook for the single purchase for AA put options, while I was citing the put options for the whole day of the 6th and 7th.

I really do think we should use this to run the shills out of all of these 9-11 threads.

 

Holston, I'm not going to run through another gish gallop that's just going to be hand waved. I've made my point, I've linked my sources, and all your main points, including the 2.3T myth, are already covered on my blog.

You have displayed total ignorance of what occurred over the skies on 9/11. You have displayed total ignorance of aviation, procedures, and facts. Not worth spending the time writing a page of rebuttals to be ignored by someone who has no idea what he is talking about.

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Off topic. Start a thread.

 

So where were these engines again? There should be at least two huh? Can I see a photo or two? Big titanium things.

 

This thread is about whether my blog is sufficient to convince the truthers here that AA77 hit the Pentagon, and to ask what it would take. So far no one has suggested anything which is not already on the blog (to be expected considering both holston and Fraud never even looked at it).

If you want to start a thread about put options, be my guest, but it is not relevant to this thread.

 

Inside the pentagon, broken into little pieces.

 

Fair warning, quit the baiting and off topic remarks

Thanks
Shangrila
Site Moderator

 

Thanks Shan.

I'm actually more interested in the second part of this thread topic; what it would take to shift you truther's opinions? What would it take to falsify your belief that no plane hit the Pentagon?

 

Sorry I messed up your thread.


Although this is a thread specifically aimed at flight 77 and the Pentagon, there is still a lot more to the 9/11 story than that.
As I said earlier, regardless of whether flight 77 hit the Pentagon or not, the evidence for controlled demolitions remains.

IF it could be proven to everyone's satisfaction that #77 hit the Pentagon that might add some weight to the Arab only conspiracy theory, but that still would not rule out the use of controlled demolitions in the WTC buildings and prior knowledge of the attacks.

If it could be proven that anything other than flight 77 hit the Pentagon, that would practically cinch the case for a conspiracy on the part of US/Israeli operatives. I believe that this is the evidence that my friends are looking for, even if I don't agree that this is the best place to look for it.

The plans for Operation Northwoods shows us that plans for a false flag attack have been considered before. Those plans included the staging of attacks on US commercial airliners in which fake flight manifests and fake funerals would be arranged to deceive the public.

How would fraud on a scale of this magnitude have been successfully perpetrated then?

If it is not possible to stage such an event in a convincing manner now, what would make them think they could have accomplished the same feat then?

We are talking about high level military commanders who made those proposals. Why should they think that such a plan was feasible if no one believes it is possible to do the same thing today?


You have said that the sites from which I obtained information were "fraudulent". But you did not explain how so much fraud could be generated on the net by "Truthers", but that it is impossible for the "debunker" crowd to generate an equal amount.

In order for all the incriminating information available to have been created fraudulently, that would require a conspiracy of greater magnitude than the one which Truthers infer has occurred.

You can not honestly believe that everyone who has done work on behalf of the truth movement is working for Islamic extremists can you? That's almost as absurd as saying that every "Truther" or person who has a bone to pick with Zionists is a Nazi. It's hard to tell which idea is dumber.


You also claim there is no evidence when abundant circumstantial evidence DOES exist AS WELL AS SOME TANGIBLE EVIDENCE.

viz.

http://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=signs+of+thermite&view=detail&mid=E14B8D30EB85F931A202E14B8D30EB85F931A202&first=21&FORM=NVPFVR






http://images.search.yahoo.com/images/view;_ylt=A0PDoX_BsjdRKxoASeGJzbkF;_ylu=X3oDMTBlMTQ4cGxyBHNlYwNzcgRzbGsDaW1n?back=http%3A%2F%2Fimages.search.yahoo.com%2Fsearch%2Fimages%3Fp%3Dthermite%2B9%252F11%26n%3D30%26ei%3Dutf-8%26y%3DSearch%26fr%3Dmoz35%26tab%3Dorganic%26ri%3D381&w=672&h=504&imgurl=investigate911.org%2FFires-burned-and-molten-steel-flowed-in-the-pile-of-ruins-still-settling-beneath-my-feet-Sarah-Atlas-Task-Force-One-Urban-Search-and-Rescue-911-WTC.jpg&rurl=http%3A%2F%2Finvestigate911.org%2FNano-thermite.htm&size=34.5+KB&name=Nano-thermite+-+Urgent%3A+Scientists+Discover+Explosives+in+9%2F11+WTC+...&p=thermite+9%2F11&oid=b682120265adc034d0a50aa46ef5b6e7&fr2=&fr=moz35&tt=Nano-thermite%2B-%2BUrgent%253A%2BScientists%2BDiscover%2BExplosives%2Bin%2B9%252F11%2BWTC%2B...&b=361&ni=96&no=381&ts=&tab=organic&sigr=11b4a5iuk&sigb=13huaa4ej&sigi=15apso9ob&.crumb=JqoIrT2SZxm


As ANYONE CAN SEE, there is plenty of TANGIBLE as well as circumstantial evidence that points to controlled demolitions.
There are also plenty of FACTS and statements made by many credible people who were in positions to know, that backs up the claims of foreknowledge of the attacks.

That indicates, at a minimum, complicity to murder, by SOME people in the US, whether in a governmental capacity or not.


It is understandable why these people would do everything within their means to LIE about these things and cover them up.

It is also understandable why media executives would be complicit in the coverup.

It is equally understandable why YOU would want to help cover it up also.

Why?

Because if I can put these pieces together well enough to tell which political faction would have been responsible for enabling the events of 9/11 to occur, then it is certain that your run of the mill Zionist would be.

They also can see who is high on the hog in the US right now and want to see things "Stay the Course" as their Furher once remarked.



I post on THIS thread because I believe it is misleading to attempt to concentrate everyone's focus on a side issue such as whether flight 77 hit the Pentagon and dishonest to try to get everyone to ignore the entire story.

The only reason the "Truthers" would have for wanting to demonstrate that something other than a plane hit the Pentagon would be to prove the rest of the story, ie the use of controlled demolitions.


I will be the first here to grant you that flight #77 filled with passengers may have indeed hit the Pentagon.
But to do so only makes the case against the Zionist conspirators that much more damning. For it would be one thing for them to fake passenger manifests, and crash a military guided plane into the Pentagon with no passengers on board. It would be something altogether worse than mere deception if a boat load of Goyim were sacrificed like so many pawns so that the Zionist Money Masters could "secure the realm."


You see, there is a hitch to the Machiavellian philosophy of "doing evil so that good may come". It's success depends upon whether these deeds can be gotten away with. Modern day Machiavellians such as those in PNAC assume that getting off scott free is a given. It t'ain't necessarily so.
For even if they manage to pervert justice or escape it in this life, they have no guarantee that they will escape the judgement of God any more than I can PROVE to them that HE exists!


You demand evidence and witnesses. You have them. You simply deny them.

The battle lines have been drawn. I can tolerate the Jews alright. What I cannot tolerate is a pack of lying thieves and murderers. Should anyone?
Their ends do NOT justify their means.

You may provide evidence to me that all the people who were supposed to be on those planes actually were. This is no surprise to me considering the numbers who died in the WTCs and as a result of the ensuing wars.

It is demanded of me that I BELIEVE in MASS MURDER and IT IS AGAINST the LAW for me TO DENY IT.
But that rule only applies to mass murders as they are committed by Germans, White gentile Americans, Christiandom, and Muslims.

Otherwise one should not even suggest another possibility.

By all means, PROVE to me that the additional 60 odd passengers on #77 were sacrificed on the alter of your G-d.
But to prove to me that no one knew in advance that the attacks were going to occur except a few Arabs, or that those towers were not given a little "assist", you will have to alter reality.

Can you do that?

 

Wow...that little pics sure solidifies your point of view. Oye vay...

Got any proof in the form of pics of the actual engines other than a pile of something taken somewhere at some time?

 

Holston, make no mistake, the evidence that is linked too and provided here isn't to persuade you. Every single person that you refer to as a shill, or a debunker, isn't sitting here linking facts and evidence in order to persuade YOU. You are far beyond driven. There is no hope in getting you to see the facts of 9/11, and how science\evidence proves that under no circumstances was controlled demolition used to bring down any single one of the WTC towers, or the Pentagon.

The reason CJ collected the information he did, the reason people like myself, lefty, hannibal, Fang, etc, post here is because there needs to be people providing factual information. There needs to be people that can provide the facts and combat that woo that you post here.

You admit to having an agenda. You have openly stated that you despise Jews, and that you feel they are behind everything that is evil in the world. I will gladly go through and quote your posts of where you say these exact things.

Sadly, you have no evidence. There was no thermite on the scene, there is no way that the towers could have been destroyed using thermite, and there's no way any explosive brought down any of the WTC. I have linked to the scientific study time and time again.

 

More accurately, there is no evidence that your "group" (that you just referenced) ,will accept. There's PLENTY of evidence, my friend, in the same way that shills exist.

 

and that truth hurts him as well thats why he gets frustrated all the time and denys it even though it is so transparent for us all.

 

Been over 11 years now.....STILL waiting for your 'evidence'...


HeeHee

 

Likewise.

I've watched debunker films and read their web pages, not all of them of course, but enough.

People need to understand that while you people keep demanding PROOF, that you have proven nothing either.
Careful reading of the debunker material reveals that it is only possible alternative explanations that they offer, not demonstrable proof of anything.

But you act as though you have.

You haven't.

There is no question that enough evidence exists that merits an investigation, not one led by the people most likely to have orchestrated the event under question!

So YOU say.

All I say is that Jews are as capable of breaking the law, behaving immorally, sinning or whatever you prefer to call it as all the other ethnic groups they point their fingers at!

For some reason you don't want to admit this simple common sense observation.

It is not my fault that the Zionists happen to be at the center of the 9/11 plot.

Anyone has to be blind or plain dishonest not to admit it.

So unfortunately, these "Jews" as they call themselves cannot be left out of the picture just to avoid any charges of Nazi being raised in protest.

You have your scientists. I have mine.

You haven't proved anything any more than I have.

All the red flags are still there and you guys can continue to contrive ways to explain them all away.

One or two oddities I would gladly dismiss as flukes. But after dozens and dozens of them crop up, my doubts grow beyond my ability to ignore them.

Do you really think I WANT to believe the things that these red flags suggest?

And how do you explain, not only the abundance of indicators, but the legions of people who have called attention to them?

Would you call this ground swell a "conspiracy"?

Do you really think you can convince everyone that they're crazy if they don't accept your word for everything, or that everyone who doesn't believe the official story is part of a conspiracy?

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YOU are what is transparent.

 

http://www.911proof.com/

 

Quite an Ironic title

 

Ironic to "official" propagators? Probably.

 

Hey. If you can do it, we can to

Just kidding. I'd rather be proved wrong than caught in a lie.

http://911proof.com/6.html

http://archive.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2005/11/17/122900.shtml

I didn't know that Louis Freeh was a Nazi!

I wonder if he showed up at his interview for the job wearing his tin foil hat.

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Hey. If you can do it, we can to

Just kidding. I'd rather be proved wrong than caught in a lie.

http://911proof.com/6.html

http://archive.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2005/11/17/122900.shtml

I didn't know that Louis Freeh was a Nazi!

I wonder if he showed up at his interview for the job wearing his tin foil hat.

 

No you haven't. You might have pulled one or two up, but you made your decision before you got through the first sentence.

I really don't know what this sentence means, it doesn't make any sense.

You're wrong, the NIST report provides a detailed explanation as to the collapse scenario that happened on 9/11 to every building that sustained damage. There are a few things that absolutely cannot be known 100%. Something like this had never happened before on any level. There was never this combination of events that scientists could look at for reference. Just because you refuse to believe their explanations doesn't mean they are wrong.

Because there is detailed definition, to the best of anyones ability, that describes the events. We aren't talking about a single government entity that review this information. Colleges like Purdue and MIT have also investigated and come to the same conclusion. I'm sorry if you don't find that to be quality information, but you link to sources like infowars, killtown, and crap like that. Are you seriously trying to tell me that those sources are accurate above and beyond the schools and organizations I have listed? That's just...ridiculous.

Fine, what would you investigate? Who would do the investigating? You want to trot out a group of truthers to lead an investigation into 9/11. I want you to select the 3 items of 9/11 that you would like investigated. Because the fact remains there is NOT enough evidence to warrant another investigation. Truthers are nuttier than squirrel (*)(*)(*)(*), and they "think" their evidence is real. It's not. If there were any evidence that would put the gubmint under the bus, and was proven solid evidence, than other countries would have used it. Look at all the foreign individuals that have researched 9/11 on the truther side, and none have come up with squat. North Korea would kill for any chance to get the US in turmoil. They are just one of many that would kill to prove the government performed 9/11, yet they don't jump on twoofies evidence? Whatever, it's your fantasy.

No, it's what you've been saying.

Uh, are you serious right now? I don't think Jews are some infallible collection of people who do no wrong. I've stated this so many times that for people to keep bringing it up either have to be mentally retarded or have 0 reading comprehension. I'm not (*)(*)(*)(*)ing Jewish, Holston. I don't give a damn about Jews at all. I am absolutely positive they break laws, hurt other religions, and perform nasty deeds. If they didn't there would be no need for cops in Isreal. To just say that I have that belief is stupid in every facet. I've never said that, I've never implied that, and the fact that you do just goes to show how desperate your argument is becoming. You're trying to put words in my mouth to make your argument.

No they aren't, the radical muslims are at the center of this plot. I know this is going to lead to a wall of text from you, because you're going to create a page full of links to several anti-semite websites attempting to show how ALL the Jews in the world are in on 9/11. However, all of the sites lack evidences, sources, or fact. I encourage anyone that is actually reading this and not participating to follow your links, Holston. Let them see how it's all just ranting by lunatics who have been positive of a world take over by Jews for years, yet it's never happened. Let them see how it's unsourced, hearsay. If nothing else, intelligent people following your links, then coming back to read the links I provide does nothing but help me.

Right? Oh, you mean on your end.

Really? Scare quotes around Jews? I am not calling you a Nazi, I'm calling you an anti-semite. The only reason I do is because you provide evidence everytime you post that confirms my statements. You, and your little band of merry truthers, call me a shill with no evidence.

The problem is your scientist found the samething that mine did, they found paint.

Yes, I have. Both sets of scientists found Kaolin in their samples, and there is no Kaolin in any version, or any form of thermite. Whether it nano\super\thermite\thermate. It doesn't exist.

It's not called contriving to explain things away, it's called following the evidence. When unprecedented events happen, the likes no one has ever seen before, it is going to take a lot of time, dedication and hard work to get results.

I don't expect an admitted "bible thumper" to understand, but God didn't create us. Evolution did. If you had any idea the oddities, coincidences, and messed up events that had to transpire to get to the point where humans were created, it would blow your mind. We are talking about an event where there were literally thousands of people involved between clean up crews, eye witnesses, phone calls from the planes, and first responders. With all of those people involved there is going to be a (*)(*)(*)(*) ton of confusion with all the reports and second hand information.

Yes, yes I do. I think you thrive on it, I think it makes you feel superior to have "inside" information.

Legions? Truthers make up less than 3% of the earths total population. The "Architects and Engineers" that have signed the petition or are apart of A&E911 make up less than 1% of the total profressionals in their respected fields. That isn't legions, those are called "one-offs".

No

Nope, I am not here to convince anyone of anything. It's your life, and your beliefs. Do whatever it is you have to do to get yourself through this life, cause you only get 1 trip around. Spend that time however you want. In the same breath, though, I do feel the need to come here and defend the first responders, victims and their families against people who trivialize their deaths.