Can sexuality change over time?

No, what I meant was, they're not sexually attractive (as men). Hope that makes sense.

 

Maleness generally is what we find attractive (as straight women and gay men), and that extends well beyond the peepee. It's a vibe, a way of walking, a way of thinking, a way of loving even. It's the fearlessness and machismo (to whatever degree we personally prefer) that comes with testosterone.

In men who exhibit few or none of these things, it must then come down - literally - to the peepee.

 

Think about what you're asking. You're asking me if gay men like women. No gay men like men that is what gay means. A feminine man is still a man.

Well i don't really know. I personally have no aversion to it but than again i don't go for ultra feminine men.

Well, don't women have those? I'd say no, he prefers men.

Well, I am not really attracted to very feminine men, men that are a little less manly than me yes. If say that is a far cry from a woman.

If say there is a fundamental difference between a man even a very effeminate one and a woman. And they prefer men. Outside of that I don't think i could explain it any more.

 

Oh, you don't find them attractive, fair enough. Well there are men and even women that like them.

 

So what is this "fundamental" difference? It's the penis!

 

You're a straight woman and a gay man? How is that possible?

Well that's expression.

So a man that doesn't fit your stereotype is not a man? I don't understand that. You'll have to explain.

 

If that's all it is to you than you could date a real butch woman.

 

If that was all it was for me, then no I couldn't! Hello?

 

Do you not understand that there are certain "qualities" that make a man be manly and a woman feminine, aside from genitalia?

 

Prior to this PC crap it was the other way around and the pay off was painfully obvious then as well.

Well nothing suggests that parents are at fault.

I've never once stated the position of 'born this way' I'm wondering if your opinion is rational or not. You haven't posted the slightest bit of science or anything to suggest your opinion is rational, you've routinely dodged any call to rationalize. So clearly it isn't. That's fine. There are puerile that think homosexuals are possessed by demons as well.

 

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Well yes, hormones, development physical body. An effeminate man would have none of these in common with a woman.

 

Huh, that's pretty much how I feel about women.

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So because biology doesn't matter if you met a real manly women you could date her? If not why? It's the same thing as dating a man.

 

I said the penis, and you said that I should be able to be with a manly woman? On what planet does this make sense?

 

The whole "gay" thing makes no sense.

 

So there isn't certain qualities other than genitalia that make a man manly?

Odd that goes against something you said earlier.

 

It isn't that difficult. Homosexual men have relationships with other men.

What aren't you understanding?

 

Thinking a man that wears makeup is no different than a woman makes even less sense.

 

In what ways are they different, aside from being hairier, uglier, smellier, less pretty and having a penis?

 

You got real pissy the last time I asked you if you understood the difference between men and women so I really don't want to ask you that again.

However rudimentary understanding of biology would be advantages.

Further you find men ugly? Do you find women beautiful?

 

Do you really think I don't know the difference between men and women? Total strawman. You are avoiding answering the questions and instead of just admitting that you do NOT know, you will continue to make an ass of yourself. Go ahead then.

 

True. Not my cup of Earl Grey at all. I like my men ... manly. Body hair, beard, boots, wood chopping, house building, diaper changing manly. I don't want a man to go clothes shopping with me, or have opinions on home decor. I don't want a man to talk with about 'my feelings'. GFs/sisters/daughters are for those things.

 

There is no science though, Poly. It's anecdotal (over many many decades of practice and observation, as mentioned).

 

You are asking me what's the difference.

I'm sorry you're the one asking me what's the difference between a man and a woman and then when I asked you if you really don't know the difference you call that a straw man.