Can someone point me to a Free Market Healthcare System that works?

I notice that, except Belch, nobody has even tried to provide an example of a free market health care system that insures all. All the arguments are "But is hypothetically could work if 1) 2) 3)..."

Second, at least Belch is honest enough to admit that he doesn't want universal health care because he does not care if people who are not insured die without treatment. I respect that -- much more than beating around the bush talking about the free market advantages when the underlying attitude is "I have mine, you get yours, and if you don't then go away and die quietly".

 

"Can someone point me to a Free Market Healthcare System that works?"

Does that not all hinge on the definition of 'works'? If 'works' means that one group is looted so as to provide 'free' health care to another, who oddly vote for the folk advocating that scheme.

 

Trump wants to provide universal healthcare. For EVERYONE.

 

What a silly question!

If per capita, they were as much of a financial burden then it wouldn't make a difference to me!!!

 

Where is free market healthcare???

Right here in America, when a doctor takes only cash, at $299 or $599 a pop, and doesn't deal with the insurance companies. And people go there and get healthcare.

 

The only countries that currently have ONLY free market healthcare are failed states like Somalia

 

I think it's a perfectly legitimate question to ask given the context it was taken from.

 

Your quote was, you support slavery with open arms. As do most liberals in the US. The likelihood is that you're also a supporter of illegal immigration which clearly comes with a component of human trafficking and slavery. You should own that. The plantation demands it.

 

Depends on how you define slavery. If its socialized medicine which was what the post was about then yes with open arms. I never once mentioned immigration. Remember.....

Reading is fundament. LOL

 

Most health care in the 60s was done by charitable organization. Mainly churches. And as non profit.
The country was full of St Mary's hospitals.

 

Not true. My sister lives in the UK, and receives MUCH better care under the NHS in the UK, than I do here in America and thats WITH a "caddilac" plan that I have through work.

 

I didn't. In fact, I said it wasn't the appropriate goal to measure by. How about this, for those who have to use a provided service, like the VA, do you believe that the Federal system of providers would provide a service worth consuming? And if not, why? If your goal is that everyone is covered by fiat, then government is the only agent capable of ensuring that all will participate. I'd point out that government doesn't exactly do a bang up job when they are the responsible agency that is responsible. Health care provided in the services and then the VA are our only credible evaluators then.

So, the question is why make universal the goal? I would point out that universal is as available today in the US as the ability to walk into an emergency room, or hail an ambulance, as your care is provided, irrespective of your ability to pay for it. So, in essence the free market has already provided "universal care". What they don't provide is more what you're demanding which is universal payer, as in government paying for all care. Not making those distinctions makes it disingenuous for you to make the claim otherwise. So, you're retort is "I have mine".... blah blah blah. Yes, I purchased insurance that honestly sucks. But I had to buy it.

So, the way it works now, with a high deductible HSA is that I self fund ALL of my own health care needs, as well as paying my monthly premiums which then support all the other folks payments who don't have their own insurance, and otherwise don't pay into the system in any meaningful way. This isn't "I got mine", your systems is "I demand what you have, but aren't willing or able to provide it for myself, and so I'll make government the agent that requires you to provide it for me".

Why stop at health care? Why not mansions on the coast? Why not income matching? Why limit your greed of other's things to just making sure you don't have to spend your own money on your birth control, or mental health?

 

I Thinks Socialism is worst species with Fascist. National Socialist is much better. They so called Nazis.

 

Conservatives hate "unhiversal healthcare" because as they see it, people who dont "deserve" it get medical care they couldnt otherwise afford. In their view those people should just go off and die.

They dont WANT that to happen per say, BUT, they would rather that happens than have that person receive care they cant afford and "shouldnt" receive in their eyes.

Because most conservatives lack empathy.

 

your right, poor people would not start dropping dead because of a free market system.

 

Works for me... although the government is in collusion with a few .com companies to take away our cash.

 

I did Changes mind about Liberalism. Maybe Christians in America needs Communism.

 

Trump's regime does not doing that in talking cash.

 

Americans did not living in England Before Britons comes throne. It is England I did talking too.

 

Of course not. But let's take this on then. If you require that I work for your ability to enjoy the service, then, yes, I'm indentured to government for my ability to pay for your health care needs. Seen through the eyes of a plantation this isn't problematic, as it's an expectation of the plantation to ensure that the indentured help produce for the non producers, in this case, you. Why wouldn't you buy into that? Similarly, that ideology also justifies the introduction of illegal immigration to accomplish all of the jobs your won't do because you receive the benefits of the other indentured slave labor, so of course, you support it as well. Except the difference is that this process produces actual slavery, as in human trafficking to support your greedy need to suck the substance out of the rest of society for your benefit. That real folks don't enjoy the rights or the luxuries afforded you by the plantation doesn't matter, because you got yours, right?

 

Wrong. It's not about what folks "deserve". I am unaware of anyone suggesting that anyone should "go off and die", except for liberals who repeat it, like you. I think what you demand is that since I'm able, I should provide it for you. I would ask why you cant support my needs? Why do only your needs matter to you? Seems incredibly selfish, and incredibly short sighted. From my perspective you lack basic morality so, to mask it, you call other's names to justify your own immoral greed.

 

I do believe Trump means what he said, it's getting the self serving spineless worms that populate the Republicans in Congress to go along. I know all about the coward Republicans from our California experience. In California all the fight left the dog many many years ago. They are content to sit up in Sacramento in the minority party working what ever deals they can and simply go along with what ever the Democrats want as long as no one pee's on their little parade. I saw that disgusting display starting to happen to the Republicans in Washington. California is all done, stick a fork in it. I knew it was all done as soon as they started with the open primaries. This past November we had the choice between 2 Democrats for Senator. I wrote in "none of the above".

 

Now you twist people's words,. Classic carot top post

 

Holy cow you have gone off the rails. By that standard public primary education....otherwise known as socialized education...produces human trafficking.
You are freaking hilarious.

 

This is a big load of the usual insulting a bigoted conservative rhetoric. How conservatives HATE the poor/working people!

I'm from WV. I know people there working 2 jobs and still qualify for food stamps, lol... thanks to GOP-suppressed wages. Oh but they're LAZY, whereas YOU are put-upon, right? smh...

But you think it's just a moral failing that they're not affluent with private doctors. So, do us all a favor, we West Virginians, and give us a list of all the job opportunities there for us in McDowell Co., Boone Co., Logan Co., Mingo Co, etc., WV.

And thanks for confirming what I already knew, that conservatives would indeed stand and smirk as people died from lack of food or healthcare. It's ok... they're "losers", right?