Can we have a civil, thoughtful discussion on this?

Hillary and Bernie are ignorant? Norman Thomas is ignorant? Wm BUckley was ignorant? Mona Charon is ignorant?

Oleg Klugian was ignorant when he said " we looked among the liberals when we needed new spies??

KGB was ignorant when they code named Julius Rosenberg " liberal".

 

Right. Offering someone a job is not exploiting them. Paying someone to do a particular task is not exploiting them.

 

Much! more so, it would appear. Russia, China, and Cambodia have shown us that something must be done to eliminate heretics in order to achieve unanimity of ANY one size fits all ideology. A much more harsh Socialist inquisition would likely prove necessary.

 

Like all politicans they have their limitations. Hillary has more! The problem of course is that you don't understand any political economy. Don't you be worrying mind you. Ndividual is the same, he/she is just too scared to acknowledge it. Embrace what you don't know and promote knowledge!

 

Wm. Buckley Jr., Mona Charon, KGB and 1000's of others are not politicians yet see liberals and communists as simple dumb statists. Too bad you hadn't discovered America before you committed to the utter meaningless distinctions between Fascist Nazis market socialists and other creative statists.

 

This is the fellow that supported apartheid? Perhaps think more!

 

Jesus supported slavery. Perhaps you should think more.

 

Wow! Perhaps you need to have a re-think?

 

if so why is the libcommie so afraid to explain. What does he learn from his fear?

 

You want me to explain how Jesus supported slavery? Crikey! I can't.

 

"Old, failed ideas"? IOW you don't know what I advocate. LOL!! And if your "common factor" is human nature and the collapse of the effort in the USSR and China, you aren't familiar with my position on that either.

I'll tell you what. If you want to pursue this with me, begin by telling me what you understand my position and what I advocate to be first. That way I won't just keep repeating myself and boring everyone.

 

Failing to include the worker in running his job and in distributing the profits he's generating, and taking those profits for yourself, IS exploitation.

You choose to word it and see it in a nice, half-baked, inaccurate, incomplete, and biased way so that you can avoid seeing the exploitation.

 

Except when its done by a WSDE who employs people who can't afford a share, or to lose a portion of their pay to acquire a share?

 

...or to acquire foreign factories for manufacturering their goods to exploit the workers ala Nike and Walmart so the can be capitalist pigs living of the labor of others just like the rest of us.

 

Neither you nor I know if non-member employees share in the profits. I believe they are, but I'm not sure or whether it depends on the corporate structure. But you sure are focused on discrediting WSDEs without knowing much about them.

 

The Co-op bank during the banking crisis.

Lauding it over all the over banks. The moral bank.
All the other banks going under. But not the co=op bank because the co-op bank is ethically run.

On and on with the worker run co-op so much better than capitalist banks and their crashes.....until finally, the co-op got audited itself and turned out to have been the most mismanaged corrupt bank ever.
No socialists mentions it any more. Sort of like how they don't bring up Nazi Germany and the Soviet Union either.

In their minds they are the cleverest of all of us. In reality, consistently the least successful. Consistently the most corrupt.

 

I don't discredit them any more or less than I would any other public or private enterprise. How a WSDE is run is the business of the employees, some of whom are also investors, much the same as with a public or private enterprise. As a consumer, I have yet to find anything which would show a WSDE to be more, or even as, beneficial to me than a public or private owned enterprise in which they might compete with. In fact I have benefited far more from public traded enterprises, past, present and future.

 

Like the Bank of North Dakota?

 

30 million of them in America. In our absolutely free environment they sometimes work or fail to one degree or another. No idea on earth why you waste your time championing them? Its sort of like championing cars as if you know exactly how many cars we really need..

 

This is probably your most accurate comment. Well done!

 

workers don't take jobs unless they are better than previous jobs. That's the opposite of exploitation!! Dont you wish someone would exploit you with a better job??

 

God bless you in your support of TedintheShed! Well deserved

 

Good point. Nobody accepts a job unless that job makes him better off than not taking the job.

 

Love to see the non-economics swarm! Brings a tear to my eye

 

You don't understand economics? Nobody accepts a job unless that job makes him better off than not taking the job.