Can we restore Rule of Law without prosecuting Trump

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  1. mitchscove

    mitchscove Well-Known Member Donor

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    Prosecuting Trump for what? Biden's pay-for-play schemes? Trump had nothing to do with enriching Jim or Hunter Biden or the kickbacks they paid to Joe, the mailman, in return. Now that Dems are in, watch how they stab ole Joe in the back to dust off the path to install the Kamel as the President who was too radical to earn a single delegate.
     
  2. DEFinning

    DEFinning Well-Known Member Donor

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    While I do plan on reading your sig, & I think you can safely expect another reply from me soon, let me quickly respond w/ this, Second item, issue.

    (DEFinning said):
    No matter how scrupulously, "hands-off," a President is with his Justice Department, there's no way that, in public opinion, his personally chosen Attorney General, O.K.ing the prosecution of the President's former opponent, is not going to be seen as reflecting the desires of the President.

    My point had NOT been that it would simply bring flack for Biden to deal with, but that it would be a highly contentious move. If you have no objection, I like to keep each element of a topic, if they were not proposed as a single, inter-supporting argument, in context. So I made my reply to your response

    Golem said:
    It's not up to Biden. It will be up to the new Attorney General. Biden cannot and should not intervene. Because, if he does, the picture we would receive is of Presidents who break the law and then give each other a pass...

    So I took it that you were making an argument along the lines that the law is the law, & politics should play no part in it BECAUSE, if people believe that it does, that would undermine both the rule of law & our democracy, on the whole. Correct me, of course, if I misinterpreted, or am materially misrepresenting, your quoted view. (BTW, I really don't mean for this to be sounding like a cross-examination).

    To continue, my point had been that, regardless of the truth of the matter-- and this is a well-established & accepted consideration in both law & politics-- there would be the APPEARANCE, to many, of political collusion.

    To be clear, I am not saying that means Trump couldn't be prosecuted. I just thought that anyone advocating for this, should weigh, or at least address, that element within their advocacy argument. Namely, the political rancor & social discord that such a prosecution, like it or not, is practically ensured to stir. Don't you currently have a thread in this forum, by the way, entreating us all to, "come together?"
     
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  3. FreshAir

    FreshAir Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I do not think Pence could win if he did not support Trump and Pardon him, Republicans put Trump above religion even right now
     
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  4. Golem

    Golem Well-Known Member Donor

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    No worries.

    Not exactly. Whenever you prosecute a politician or anybody close to a politician, there will be people who will believe politics is at play. What people believe should not even be a consideration on whether to prosecute a politician or not. Bu that should be decided by the Justice Department. Not by the President. If the President intervenes, politics is unavoidably introduced into the mix.


    As I said, "appearance" should not be a consideration. But, also, it shouldn't be introduced unnecessarily. There is no reason for a President to intervene in prosecutions by the Justice Department. There might be some circumstances in which they can request an investigation. But they shouldn't even opine, one way or another, when that investigation is about a political rival.

    In other words, political appearance should not bear any weight whatsoever on whether to prosecute somebody or not. It would be tragic if it did. But it should also not be introduced unnecessarily. Trump's continuous pressure to find something.. anything... to prosecute his political enemies is clearly purely political.

    Trump has spent four years inappropriately pressing his Justice Department to find something.. anything... to prosecute his rivals for fake conspiracy theories. The pressure was inappropriate in and of itself. This was made even more obvious after, again and again, his own Attorney General tells him that there is nothing to prosecute them for. What credibility would Trump supporters have if they chose to claim political pressure?

    However, claim it they will. But that should bear no weight whatsoever in the process. None!
     

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