Can you manage your own finances successfully? Guess who can't.

The reason we’re even talking about this stuff is that “paying for her own school” is becoming increasingly unaffordable, even as the importance of higher education grows. So your initial reaction to the problem is to deny that a problem exists.

And no, you don’t “owe” her. But that doesn’t mean we shouldn’t, as a society, try to improve how things work.

For instance, let’s deconstruct your attitude:

1. “I got through college without subsidized loans; we shouldn’t have subsidized loans.”
2. “I went to private college; we shouldn’t need public colleges.”
3. “I’m completely self-taught; we shouldn’t have public education.”
4. “I’ve never needed assistance, so we shouldn’t have any assistance programs.”
3. Caveman: “I survived without fire; we shouldn’t need fire.”

In short, your attitude is an argument for never advancing society at all. Whereas a functioning society says “a situation where a crucial piece of economic competitiveness is increasingly unaffordable is a problem that can no longer be ignored.”

 

If Texan doesn't cover it, where does society get the money to pay for all that higher education?

 

The answer seems obvious, so maybe I’m misunderstanding. Can you be clearer?

 

Same way government gets the money to pay for an aircraft carrier or joint-strike fighter.

 

Pay your own way. Thank you.

 

The pentagon.

That's who can't manage their finances.

Biggest welfare queen on the planet and the feeble little retard craps everywhere and doesn't clean up.

 

Maybe the problem is that her education is not worth the current price. You assert that her education is a right. She is being gouged by colleges and you want me to pay them off for her?

Here is a list of jobs I did to pay for my education.
carpentry
retail in a clothing store
grocery store cashier
telemarketing
mowed yards
dug sprinkler ditches
fixed jets in the military

Why can't any able bodied person do most of those jobs. Women have a completely separate list of jobs that they are usually more suited to do.
nursing
receptionist
teacher's aide

 

I am not aware of this thing called society has any money. So, when you say society will pay for something I wondered where "society" got its money?

 

Just as I thought, from Texan and people like Texan.

 

You did not make any actual valid points, so why address them? It was YOU that was unable to properly read and dissect what he was saying, then formulate a proper response with something to counter what he was pointing out.

Read it and then think about it. Then read it again and post a reasonable response and i am sure it will illicit some good conversation.

 

Congress. Congress holds the purse strings.

 

Society is us. In a democracy, government is how we as a society get together to accomplish common goals. We tax ourselves to pay for it.

Are you under the impression that you are not part of society?

 

You make no logical argument to support your claim that I didn’t make any valid points, you simply assert it. Please elaborate. If you don’t, I’m comfortable letting the other readers of this thread decide who made substantive, valid points and who did not.

 

Spooky’s college education is not a common goal. I hope she does well, but not at my expense.

 

If you can't see the difference in the terrible financial consequences of the "new green deal", of free health care for everyone, of providing guaranteed income to those who "chose not to work", of free college for every one-

You are financially totally blind. Those are the kinds of hair-brained ideas I see being promoted, and that I see being endorsed by people who should have far more sense- but are obviously letting their political interests dismiss their financial judgement as irrelevant. We have never seen such gross financial stupidity in the past, it is a new record far exceeding that of previous irresponsible political parties on either side.

 

Affordable access to education IS a common goal.

 

There is nothing remotely new about these candidates, that other presidential candidates have not done on both the left and right, they all promise grandiose schemes ('star wars' on top of tax cuts and no cuts in entitlements ring a bell?) This stuff does not scare me. By the time this primary process moves to completion, sanity will be forced on them to survive attack, then more sanity will be forced in a general election election campaign to survive attack, and MUCH more sanity will come once Congress gets these proposals. Most of this will be compromised into moderation. Relax. Nothing like these infant proposals is getting through.

 

And...?

 

Not all education is the same. I took what I could afford and was available to me. Who decides who gets the good schools and who doesn't? What if Spooky wants a more expensive school than what I had available when I paid for it myself? I paid for my education, my wife's education, and my kids' educations. I think she can manage. I'm behind on saving for my retirement because of paying for all of this education.

People need to understand that there are consequences for their actions. I avoided a criminal record, drugs, and having children before I could afford them. I worked a lot of 80 hour weeks and risked duty that could have killed me in the military to get my education benefits. I missed out on a lot of fun and I have benefitted from my decisions. Why should I be forced to bail my friends out when they made the stupid decisions that made them worse off than me?

 

See, you missed it again. You also contradict yourself. Example:

You: Forgiving current student loans doesn't actually cost the government anything (1)
Also You: forgiving current student loans costs the government an income stream. (2)
Also You: Society will pay for it. (3)

1) Yes it does.
2) You just proved your first statement false. Give me 25K and I'll pay you $100 every month. After you give me 25K, I choose not to pay you every month. Sucks to be you. Now we are both better off.
3) No, I am not paying for it. You go pay for it on your own. You go start a charity and take up a collection for everyone who will donate because you can't afford college or figure out out to get a degree and still have money in the bank. That is your problem, not mine. I paid for mine with work and a some scholarship money and got my Masters and got a pay raise. There are plenty of ways to make it through college and not come out owing 10's of thousands. You kids just need to be retaught what hard work really is all about.

I pay enough for retarded bullcrap and all the lies from ACA and other nonsense from our government. This is nonstarter for society. Shame on you and that fake Indian and that socialist for even trying saddle society with such a debt.

 

And you don’t mind making me pay for the education of others after I paid the way for myself and my family to get an education.

 

This stuff SHOULD scare you- because it's total irresponsibility, like a kid with a credit card to spend daddy's money but no sense- and it this case, you and I are the Daddy paying the bills. These are specific things, not general in the way star wars was, and not speculative- they want to see these things now. I've agreed both sides can be irresponsible- but in no way has any political group before been so far under the influence, so addicted to spending other people's money, demanding whatever their childish mind envisions and that others must pay for it. Don't minimize or blow it off- if you do, you AUTHORIZE that kind of gross irresponsibility- and you will get a hell of a lot more of it for your approval.

 

I have an entirely different view. I have wanted some original and yes, very bold ideas for a long time. They are the public policy equivilent of 'brain storming sessions' These are without restraint, discipline or structure so they are irresponsible as described. So I will wait and see what they turn into

 

I opened up a thread as OP about the Unfunded Pensions across America and how it would make the 2007/2008 economic implosion pale in comparison and nobody cared. And, that's the point. Nobody cares. Nobody cares enough to do anything about it, so these "ghost accounts" will continue to grow over time. Two things will augment this pending American Tragedy Story:

- The continual domestic erosion of the USD
- The increasingly probable potential for the collapse of the Petro Dollar and a global shift into a different reserve currency

One of those is a wild card. The other is happening right now. One by itself would be enough to collapse the US economy. Both happening simultaneously would be enough to drive a stake in the United States of America Experiment. It would be the end of the U.S. as we know it - quite literally.

Great post. However, nobody cares because most Americans are completely clueless about the existence of the problem, let alone its nuclear bomb potential threat against not just the US Economy, but our current way of life. If this hits the fan, its over. It would be like Hiroshima by a factor of 1,000. There would be no more US and everybody would become a Refugee or a Migrant Worker flowing into various other parts of the world. Imagine that, US Citizens becoming Immigrants to other countries.

 

Taxpayers pay taxes for all sorts of things I'm sure they would rather not pay for.