Capitalism is economic tyranny Socialism is economic democracy.

"Workers" can control any industry they want, at any time. All they have to do is start or buy a business, and run it according to their values.

If they're not doing that, it's because they don't want to do it. Are you going to force workers to take on a responsibility they clearly don't want? How is that not totalitarian?

 

Okay, let's get rid of landlords. Sell all their investment properties to owner-occupiers. Make rental property illegal.

Since you say landlords provide nothing of value, then obviously we don't need them!

 

1) No one is forced to rent, or to rent something they can't afford. Renting is a choice, and a very expensive one at that. It's really a luxury (to throw away potentially a million dollars over a lifetime), so stop with this BS of it being some kind of terrible imposition. If you can spare that kind of money, you have no cause for complaint. We poor people can't afford to waste that much money, so we don't rent.

2) So grow your own, from the backyard of the house you owe nothing on. Didn't plan ahead well enough to be in that position? Oh well, we all have our reasons for choosing insecurity. Great reasons like 'frugality is hard'.

 

Socialism is a centralized authority that companies must answer to and can oppress their growth. In capitalism the only central authority is the consumer. The consumer decides on what products are best and which ones will survive. Capitalism is not tyrannical at all. Socialism is most definitely tyrannical

 

Then why do you do it?

You deal in it.

 

"No, you are" is the epitome for belligerence.

 

The businesses, or a least most of them, are privately owned which points to capitalism.

Luckily not in China.

Yes they did. The alternative to public ownership of the means of production is the private ownership of the means of production. You can throw in any sort of made up economic system but it won't change anything. Operating a private business in an authoritarian environment like that of China is a challenge. But it is happening every day even with American money.

What you call facts are actually opinions. Because you posted something from the internet doesn't make an opinion a fact.

 

And what is falsely accusing others of the faults you are yourself most guilty of?

 

Nope. All land and other natural resources are publicly owned, so it's geoism, not capitalism.

No, that is just another false dichotomy fallacy from you, as China and HK prove. The alternative to wrongful private ownership, under capitalism, of what can never rightly be private owned and wrongful collective ownership, under socialism, of what is rightly privately owned is rightful private ownership, under geoism, of what is rightly privately owned and rightful public administration of what can never rightly be privately owned to secure and reconcile the equal individual rights of all to life, liberty, and property in the fruits of their labor.

The truth changes everything -- except your attachment to your false beliefs, of course.

No, that claim is factually false. I have posted the relevant FACTS. FACTS are not just opinions. It is a FACT that capitalism is private ownership of the means of production (natural resources and producer goods), it is a FACT that socialism is collective ownership thereof, and it is a FACT that the systems of HK and China, where natural resources are publicly owned and producer goods privately owned, is geoism, not socialism or capitalism. Those are my "opinions," but they are also objectively correct FACTS. They are FACTS. However, your denials of those facts are indeed not facts but opinions.

 

The irony is palpable.

 

That not true. The only real question is whether people who would say such things honestly want to learn and know the facts, or do they just want to throw stones and BS.

 

We have minimal regulation and it's mostly for the purpose of keeping capitalism running smoothly for the rich.

 

Bunk! Cuba is the only one of that list where the jury is still out on whether it is going to become socialism or not. North Korea is an authoritarian dictatorship and the other two failed and transitioned to forms of capitalism long ago.

If you actually want KNOWLEDGE about it you could watch THIS, especially the second half.

 

Wait. What?
How can inequality be "the highest in the world" at the same time it is "lower than many capitalist countries"? Try a Venn diagram on that one.

 

...and when he finished his last term of office he said "I saved capitalism".

 

Are you part pitbull? You don't give up!

 

Socialism is still in flux. Not only has the theory and concept gone through important changes in the last 100 years, but also the means of fully creating it are still being sorted out. The concept is worthy but the means of keeping it via a state apparatus is not finalized, although great strides have been made since the failures of the USSR and China.

 

Socialism is economically tyrannical by nature. That part can never go away by design. Socialism can not work without a central authority. It is impossible for a central authority to work for the interests of the consumer when the consumer is not the central cause of demand.

 

Let's see you prove that for a system that is not yet finalized in either theory or in practical application.

You don't know that but it sounds good to the uninformed ear, I'm sure.

 

It was the other member who claimed inequality in China was the highest in the world, not me. I refuted him with the facts, as usual.

 

Since Bernie Sanders and AOC are your loadstars, nothing more needs to be said. Bernie with three his three houses, including lake-front property, and considerable net worth, acquired largely from “government service,” is a prime example of the socialist hypocrite. In his ideal world, he’ll continue to be rich while the rest of us will be poor.

AOC is learning the ropes of how to job the system in Washington. She’s always good for a foolish quote which keeps her fans happy. I guess when you get a degree in economics these days, you learn some theories that quite different from the time when I went to undergraduate and graduate school.

 

He has decided not to know the difference between a landlord and a landowner. A landlord charges for improvements and services he provides as well as for use of the location, which he does not provide, as it was already available anyway. The landowner just pockets the value government, the community and nature provide at that location.

 

So in your pure genius, you won't discuss a subject with someone who tolerates someone you don't. I say that really means you KNOW you're full of BS and you can't bear to debate the facts because you already know you can't win. .... and you can't stand to be wrong while knowing you're wrong. Amirite? Sure.

 

If you want to see where socialism always goes, look no further than Cuba, North Korea and Venezuela. Old Joe Biden has come to the rescue for Nicolas Madero with his Chevron oil deal. Old Joe says it’s to bring democracy to Venezuela. That’s truthful as calling his two trillion dollar boondoggle “The Inflation Reduction Plan.”

 

Socialism is a system that fails every time. Name one country where it has worked. You can’t. All you can say is that “It’s in flux.”