Carbon price - EU: $8 and falling, Australia: $23 and rising

The largest ETS which is Europe has nowed priced carbon at about $8:00/tonne while we Australia are expected to pay $23:00/tonne.

The really big polluters eg China and the US are not pricing carbon at all.

Julia Gillard's carbon tax will destroy our economy, i think she is so stupid she's dangerous.

Or she's the bankers dream girl, which means she probably doesn't give a ratarse even if she loses at the next election.

Why should she? She's set for life no matter how high the carbon tax goes.

The worst PM i can ever remember.

http://www.australianclimatemadness...ice-eu-8-and-falling-australia-23-and-rising/

And NO we are not one of the biggest polluters around - another lie.
http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/env_co2_emi-environment-co2-emissions

 

old thread but worth saving

Gillards carbon TAX (yes bugs it is a TAX) is not only the biggest scam of all time its also a political noose.

 

How can the price rise when it hasn't come into effect yet?

 

Its rises each yer it is in effect. Have you NOT read up on it?

 

and then it becomes a market based price.

 

Bassed on the premise that there is a world trading scheme on carbon credits..but there is also the option for the goverment to continue the TAX for as long as it sees fit.

The USA will not join up to a ets nor will china, they have seen what happened in Europe, it is nothing but a scam.

 

So why no protests in Europe about it?

 

Ask them, how am i to know the state of mind of another.

 

If it is a scam as you claim it to be, surely there would protests but I can't see any.

 

so you are omnipresent?

You dont think the protests about job looses due to increases in costs have any thing to do with it?
Again you have shown your lack of experience in how the world works... now thank your mum for letting you use the net and stay up this late and get to bed.

 

Look at the facts.

Sweden introduced a carbon tax in 1990 and their economy grew by 44% percent between 1990 and 2006.

A carbon tax does not wreck an economy

http://www.ekonomifakta.se/en/Facts...h/GDP/?from51=1990&to51=2006&columns51=,1,2,3
http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2008/apr/29/climatechange.carbonemissions

 

No it wrecks MANUFACTURING and ENERGY INTENSIVE INDUSTRIES..Therefore has massive impacts of economies like ours.

 

Yes. It is a shame we don't have a carbon tax.

That would be more effective than the market-based system we have.

I voted for a carbon tax. That is why I didn't vote Labor

Does always being wrong ever bother you?


California begins a market for greenhouse gases next year and prices will rise several times over between 2012 and 2020 under the plan to address climate change, Thomson Reuters research firm Point Carbon forecasts in a new report.

It forecast the price of carbon would rise from about $13 per metric ton in 2012 to $75 per ton in 2020.
http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/02/17/us-california-carbon-report-idUSTRE71G3GY20110217


China Moves Toward Carbon Emissions Trading to Improve Energy Efficiency and Competitiveness
http://www.nytimes.com/cwire/2011/0...n-emissions-trading-81996.html?pagewanted=all

 

Considering the human body in made up of roughly 18% carbon; does that mean the human body is the next thing on the agenda to be taxed?

Does that mean "we" are a pollutant?

 

We are already seeing 1000's of Australian jobs being lost to foreigners, and the carbon tax hasn't even started yet. What are these new "green" jobs for all the Australians losing their jobs thanks to the troll queen and Bob the Shyte shoveler?

 

As long as people can vacate their big 4 wheel drives to do their shopping, or to get a paper, and still have their motors idle, we need the carbon tax !!!!!!!

By the way, you scare mongering mobb, you forgot to tell that we pay around AU1,55 per litre fuel, while most European countries are around EURO1,70 ( which equals AU2,12).

You always only show what is convenient for you, but never the full picture.

Bring the carbon tax on...........................................................................

 

Any source to back that up?

 

Depends if you're buried or cremated

 

See that would make sense if the carbon tax applied to fuel...it dont and you fail yet again.

 

No - it isn't actually. I know Alan Jones told you it was - but he is wrong.

An ETS works by setting a cap on emissions and requiring emitters to hold a permit for each tonne of CO₂ that they emit. The level of the cap determines the number of permits available.

If emitters don’t already hold a permit, they must either cut back on their emissions or buy a permit from another emitter, who must then cut back.

This means that a cost is imposed on emissions, equal to the price of buying or selling a permit.

But importantly it’s not actually the price that causes the overall cuts in emissions. The cap determines the level of emissions, and the required cuts in emissions cause the price.

That is, permits have a value because they allow you to avoid making cuts in emissions.

How does this differ from a carbon tax? A carbon tax is sort of the opposite. A cost is added to all emissions, equal to the level of the tax, and this causes people to cut back.
There is no cap on emissions in a tax-based system. People are free to emit as much or as little as they like, but if they do emit, they must pay the tax.

Unlike an ETS, under a carbon tax it is the price that determines the level of emissions.
http://theconversation.edu.au/explainer-the-difference-between-a-carbon-tax-and-an-ets-1679

 

Yes. Corpses are certainly a pollutant

 

Yes. You are correct. Jobs lost due to the high Australian dollar have nothing whatsoever to do with the upcoming emissions trading scheme.

 

Oh boy,

if we only could understand foreign languages and learn out of the mistakes of others, instead of trying to be second best to the North American continent....

In our country, where the sun shines through the crack of ours arses, we could sell as much energy as we wanted, but unfortunately we don't want to do this!

Better to bury our heads in the sand as shown by Abbotts and his followers on this forum instead of taking this huge opportunety to turn this one in a lifetime chance (much longer lasting then the mining industry) to create an ongoing substainable income...

Cheers

 

What would you say if I told you that my good friend has taken his manufacturing business to Malaysia "directly" because of the introduction of the carbon tax because he will not have to pay for this in Asia. Also, between 100 and 150 manufacturing jobs have also went to Malaysia, plus 10 administration jobs.

Guess how many jobs form this company will be left in Australia? 3. 1 warehouse manager/foreman, and 2 packers/senders.

The Asian Governments are making the manufacturing transitions to their countries very easy and smooth with minimal red-tape, because they want these industries in their countries so their people can be employed.

While other countries WANT their people employed and manufacturing; the troll witch and the poo-scooper want to kill off employment and manufacturing in Australia without offering alternatives.

Neither the troll witch or the poo-scooper have actually stated one new industry where these so-called new green jobs will happen and where the training for these new green job will take place - TAFE, Training centres, or Universities??? What is the name of the new Green courses that people converting from other industries are suppose to be trained in?

Name one!!

 

The truth is; the troll witch and the poo-scooper KNOW There is NO transitional training from old technology jobs into these new green jobs.

Unless you have skills in ditch digging and concerting or electrical engineering, then there is not many other jobs available in the wind turbine sector, but they are not NEW jobs, those jobs have always been around.

Unless you have skills in electrical engineering or being an electrician then there is not many jobs available in the solar sector, but they are not NEW jobs, those jobs have always been around.

Considering Australia is importing all these NEW green sustainable energy products like wind turbines and solar panels from China. Where exactly are these new 500,000 jobs in the green sector coming from?