Carl Cantrell on the many reasons to support rebuilding of Jerusalem Third Temple.

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    And why would that lead to the conclusions you say you aim for?
     
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    Because I personally am convinced that an intelligence that operates out of fundamental energy,
    is using the prophecies of Isaiah, Jeremiah, Ezekiel and the minor prophets of Judaism, as a
    concept for a series of reality films.

    But, the truth of those words in Isaiah, Jeremiah and Ezekiel are both literal, as well as
    metaphorical.

    That literal spring of living water that will begin to flow from the literal Third Temple of Judaism,
    will go in two literal directions but metaphorically, I strongly suspect there will be something going on in
    fifth, sixth, seventh and eighth dimensional space - time, that will be like living waters going out into
    both Christianity and Islam, that are in a sense daughters of Judaism.

    https://www.blueletterbible.org/kjv/eze/47/1/s_849001

    Ezekiel 47:1

    Afterward he brought me again unto the door of the house; and, behold, waters issued out from under the threshold of the house eastward: for the forefront of the house stood toward the east, and the waters came down from under from the right side of the house, at the south side of the altar.
    Then brought he me out of the way of the gate northward, and led me about the way without unto the utter gate by the way that looketh eastward; and, behold, there ran out waters on the right side.
    Eze 47:3

    And when the man that had the line in his hand went forth eastward, he measured a thousand cubits, and he brought me through the waters; the waters were to the ankles.


    ......
    Eze 47:8
    Then said he unto me, These waters issue out toward the east country, and go down into the desert, and go into the sea: which being brought forth into the sea, the waters shall be healed.
    Eze 47:9
    And it shall come to pass, that every thing that liveth, which moveth, whithersoever the rivers shall come, shall live: and there shall be a very great multitude of fish, because these waters shall come thither: for they shall be healed; and every thing shall live whither the river cometh.


    all of this is true......
    Luke 24:25
    ......
    But also......
    Zechariah 14:8
    The dividing of those living waters from the Jerusalem Temple in two directions.....
    has some sort of metaphorical significance.... and I feel strongly that this fits with
    something added by former Atheist near death experiencer Mellen Benedict.

    http://www.near-death.com/reincarnation/experiences/mellen-thomas-benedict.html#a09
    The transition will not be easy... but the time is coming when Jews, Christians and Muslims will
    deeply respect each other....... and we will be finished fighting and warring against each other......
    and when that happens extreme skepticism will virtually cease from the earth.

    John 13:35
    "By this shall all men know that ye are my disciples, if ye have love one to another."
     
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    Let me get this straight, so all of the stuff above requires the Bible to be true? And does it also require that all of the metaphors are interpreted in specifically the way you have chosen to interpret them? I.e., if someone didn't buy your understanding of the Bible, you agree that they wouldn't be convinced by your arguments?

    And what is it that have brought you to believe these things? What makes you think there is stuff going on in space time dimensions 5 through 8? Why not 9? Where do you get any of this from?
     
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    "Atheists claim to believe that there is no god and that no
    messiah will come when the Temple is built. Then why do they resist

    the building of the Temple by the Jews? If the Jews were to build the Temple and no Messiah

    were to come, it would prove Judaism, Christianity, and Islam to be

    false. Their actions are saying, "I don't really believe there is no God and that I

    am afraid He will come when the Temple is built so I don't want the Temple to be

    built so He cannot come." If I were an atheist and truly believed that there is

    no God, I would say, "Build the Temple and prove your beliefs," knowing that

    they will only prove my beliefs when no Messiah shows. The only reason I would

    resist the building of the Temple would be because I were afraid that there

    really is a God and that He will come when the Temple

    is built. I would want the Jews to build their Temple, prove I am

    right, and get all this arguing over with."

    Um - I'm not sure enough people even care to have an opinion. Is this a USA thing?
     
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    Actually, Revelation says there is no Temple.
     
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    I think that refers to the time period after the year 3030 or so?!

    After the massive New Jerusalem comes down as predicted in Revelation chapter 21.
     
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    For the record.... yes.... there is even more going on in ninth dimensional space time but
    near death experiencer Dr. George Ritchie seems to only have attempted to describe what
    was happening in fifth, sixth, seventh and eighth....... but since the atmosphere got more loving
    and truthful at each level....... the ninth dimension should be even better than the eighth.

    I could be off somewhat in my keeping track and this page may actually be about the ninth dimension
    rather than the eighth.

    Much of my beliefs at this time are based on the idea that near death experience accounts are more clear
    and understandable than the Jewish or Christian scriptures.


    http://www.near-death.com/science/research/city-of-light.html
     
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    Now that the USA embassy is being moved to Jerusalem this topic is again in the spotlight.
     
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    Or..... some really, really, really intelligent Atheists decide to use an Artistic rivalry between Jews, Christians and Muslims to attempt to jump start the world economy through ART produced significantly in Israel?????

    Two hundred million horsemen...... would need two hundred million horses wouldn't they if an Artistic Battle of Armageddon similar to the Christian Book of Revelation were to be produced?!

    This sounds strange... but this could be a lot better than another nineteen twenty nine............ and / or another nineteen thirty nine to nineteen forty five!
     
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    What was not mentioned was the Greek Orthodox view and probably the Roman Catholic view as well. We believe the Temple in Jerusalem will be the seat of the antichrist - then again some say Rome. He will be the one Jesus said will come in his own name and will be received.

    John 5:43: "I have come in my Father’s name, and you do not receive me. If another comes in his own name, you will receive him."

    According to Saints he will be the most charismatic man that ever existed. He will be brilliant and a great humanitarian and will be voted in as the leader of the world. To many Christians he will be Christ. To Jews he will be the messiah, and to Muslims the Imam they've waited for.

    What he really will be though is the culmination of all evil. Once he is in power, his true nature will come out and he will not allow anyone to buy or sell unless they have the number of the beast. Yet if someone does take the number so they can feed their children, their souls will be lost forever.

    This is frightening, because today we're seeing how chips can be implanted in people to control their minds. If people aren't free to repent, then how can they reconcile themselves to God?

    God will allow the antichrist to reign only 3 1/2 years, and then Christ will appear. If the antichrist lasted longer, the world would have ceased to exist. According to quite a few recent Saints, the antichrist will appear around 30 years after the end of WWIII. The war started with Syria, and is now heading to the Aegean and the straits -which is Russia's access to the Mediterranean, so it will turn into a full blown war shortly. -

    When the war ends there will be a religious revival and the Gospe
    l will spread throughout the world. Then the antichrist will appear.
     
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    Dennis - Christ said that He will rebuild the temple in 3 days. This means that the new temple is Christ's Resurrection.
     
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    Near death experiencer Dannion Brinkley was shown something interesting about this during his 1975 brush with death.

     
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    True..... but.....

    Isaiah 34:16

    “Search from the book of the LORD, and read:
    Not one of these shall fail;
    Not one shall lack her mate.
    For My mouth has commanded it, and His Spirit has gathered them.

    ... I was taught since the seventies that this verse meant that there would be some sort of valid metaphorical secondary level of meaning in every fulfillment of every scripture in the Jewish scriptures.

    I am of the belief that some sort of massive Jerusalem Third Temple complex actually descends down from heaven three thousand years from the death burial and resurrection of Messiah Yeshua -Jesus.

    So my belief is the fulfillment of Revelations chapter twenty one and twenty two by the year 3030 or so.

    A near death experiencer in 1943 was given some hints about what this could mean.

    https://www.near-death.com/experiences/exceptional/george-ritchie.html#a05f


     
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    Actually the early Church Fathers/Saints said that the Antichrist will build and dwell in the new temple of Jerusalem. He will also perform miracles and deceive many.
     
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    On the plus side.... what he does will cause the events of Zechariah chapter fourteen to take place.

    https://www.blueletterbible.org/kjv/zec/14/1/s_925001


    Behold, the day of the LORD cometh, and thy spoil shall be divided in the midst of thee

    For I will gather all nations against Jerusalem to battle; and the city shall be taken, and the houses rifled, and the women ravished; and half of the city shall go forth into captivity, and the residue of the people shall not be cut off from the city.

    Then shall the LORD go forth, and fight against those nations, as when he fought in the day of battle.

    And his feet shall stand in that day upon the mount of Olives, which is before Jerusalem on the east, and the mount of Olives shall cleave in the midst thereof toward the east and toward the west, and there shall be a very great valley; and half of the mountain shall remove toward the north, and half of it toward the south.
     
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    There will be a world wide earthquake, but I don't know when. In the past 60 plus years, Greece has had an amazing amount of Saints, especially considering most Greeks were not devout. I gathered it was a warning from God - Jonah and the whale came to mind.. When I say Saints, I mean people who have freed themselves from 'carnal' and 'material' desires and have become spiritualized like the prophets in the Old Testament.

    Some of these Saints reached such a high level of spirituality, that they can be considered not only equal to the prophets in the Old Testament, but also to the great Fathers of the Church such as Saint Nicholas, Saint John Chrysostom, Saint Basil, etc.


    These Saints are given enormous charisms. They know everything that is going to happen - although they hesitate to say things because they can be misinterpreted. As Saint Paisios said, only Saints can correctly interpret prophecies. There are also fakers and false prophets, who get their directives from ungodly sources, so there has to be an element of discernment. Anyway this is what I know from the Saints:

    Our time ended, and God's time started in 2012 - which oddly enough coincided with the end in the Mayan calendar. WWIII began with Syria. From there it will proceed to the Aegean and the Eastern Mediterranean. We're seeing that now with Erdogan and his threats and claims over the Greek islands and waters. Legally they cover almost half the Eastern Mediterranean.

    I don't want to go into details as to what will happen so as not to upset people, but Russia will attack Turkey and it will be the start of the war between Europe and Russia. When the first part of the war ends, Russia will keep advancing to free Syria, probably from the US and Israel. Then it probably will become nuclear.


    The war will be fought on all continents, but not every nation will be in the war. As for the US, we will undergo first an ideological war, which is going on right now. Then our problems will be geological - which means a major quake and maybe a tidal wave, and after that a geo strategic war which again will probably be nuclear. I assume it's going to be with China but I don't know. Anyway we will cease to be a major power.

    Right now the one world order ideologues are using the Corona virus to further their liberal one world government through protests and riots. This frightens many, especially Christians who don't want to be enslaved like in the Soviet Union and who are also fearful of the Antichrist. It won't happen though, because the war will be starting soon. Man might have his plans, but God has His own.

    After the war there will be an era of peace for about 30 years when the Gospel will be preached throughout the world. Then the Antichrist will come.


    This is what I know. about him. The Antichrist will be voted in as a world leader, and will dwell in the Temple of Jerusalem. He will be extremely brilliant, the most charismatic man that ever lived, and a great humanitarian. The Christians will think he's the Christ, the Jews the Messiah, and the Muslims the Mahdi. In reality he will be the culmination of all evil and once in power no one will be able to buy or sell unless they have the number of the beast on their hand or forehead.

    Everything today is pointing to that. We have Soros, Gates and other ideologues pushing for a one world government. We have the mega corporations buying up everything - especially now that so many businesses have gone bankrupt with the Corona virus. The few people that own these mega corporations will soon have complete control of the world.

    We have Tesla talking about implanting things in people's minds, Gates talking about forced vaccinations, etc. Anyway according to the Saints, whoever gets the number of the beast will be a lost soul. It seems the implantation will make them lose their own will and ability to unite with God after death.

    Motto: Never vote in a world leader.:oldman:
     
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    Dennis Tate - A bishop who knew all the deceased Saints and some potential Saints that are still alive, said in his 2020 New Year sermon to pray not only for the New Year, but for the whole year because it will be the most dynamic not only of the century, but of the millennium. He said recently that the next year will be also.
     
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    Near death experiencer Dr. Kevin Zadai was shown essentially the exact same thing!

    I totally agree with you on this!



    My guess about the phenomena that may be a major fulfillment of this promise at this time would be NDE accounts?!


    "These things have I spoken unto you in proverbs: but the time cometh, when I shall no more speak unto you in proverbs, but I shall shew you plainly of the Father." (John 16:25)
     
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    It would be a little challenging for me to find this particular lecture quickly but when near death experiencer Dr. Kevin Zadai made a trip to Italy. The Holy Spirit told him to take all the offerings given to him at his meetings.... and donate them to two young teenage boys in the audience. The Holy Spirit told him that they would be major leaders in turning people to God all over Italy. Later on he found out that one of the boys was the son of the major advisor to Pope Francis regarding the Charismatic Catholic movement.

    I believe that near death experience accounts are cutting through all the confusion and giving Christians from all denominations some common ground that is so simple and so basic that we can break out of all the confusion that we have been hit with for eighteen centuries.........

    For example...... Pastor Todd Burpo deserves at least some credit for praying for his son in such a way that resulted in his son being sent back from the dead with a message that has changed the lives of millions!

    Mrs. Marilyn Braxton deserves at least some credit for praying for her husband who flatlined for an hour and forty five minutes..... .and her husband was sent back to us with a message that is transforming the lives of tens of thousands... .and hundreds of thousands of us........





    Since God can still raise the dead.... then I would think that God can also fulfill all that is meant both literally as well as metaphorically in Ezekiel chapter forty seven.......!


    http://www.drbo.org/chapter/31047.htm

     
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