Carney: Obama's New Jobs Plan Would Put Unemployment Below 9%

Do you mean like saying that we believe their are WMD's in Iraq but if it turns out that there aren't any don't hold us to that?

 

It's in the Romer report on page 4 that I provided to you.

 

Now you're just playing bull(*)(*)(*)(*) games like you do when your BS has been disproven.

If any other member out there doesn't think my answer is crystal clear, let me know and I'll explain it.

The fact Bluesguy continues to dodge answering speaks for itself.

 

Fine. Your position is that there is no difference between a broken promise and an erroneous forecast are the same thing, and therefore its OK to lie and say Obama made a promise.

Coming from you I'm not surprise you'd argue that,.

Maybe your position is persuasive to others.

 

This is a report, not someone saying something, and the report doesn't have the word 8% in it.

You think that 8% projection was such a big selling point?

Here's an interesting exercise for you on that belief.

See how many articles you can find, dated prior to the date of the Stimulus bill being passed, where that 8% projection is even mentioned.

Since that 8% was such a selling point, there must be lots of articles talking about it, right?

Good luck. You might find a couple. I think Krugman might have mentioned it in an article.

 

How many times does this have to be posted?

 

Then with all due respect Irie, you haven't been looking. It's all over the web, heres a couple of the more well known sources reiterating it. I don't think Time and Washington Post, (and many more), are just making this stuff up.

http://www.time.com/time/business/article/0,8599,1910208,00.html

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/08/06/AR2010080606271.html

 

Anything about jobs? Where are they, promised or projected?

 

You can post Fox News or what other conservative sources claim was said after the fact a zillion times if you want.

I admit that Fox and Hannity and Beck and Bachmann and a zillion other conservative propaganda sources claim Obama promised 8%.

It proves nothing expect my point about right wing propaganda.

 

One problem with that notion. Narcissists don't admit to their own failures.
Good thought though.

 

Have you read the thread?

Go back and look at that actual words in the Romer report.

Not what some biased sources claims Obama said after the fact.

 

So, the jobs they erroneously forecasted are....?

 

Good point.

Because how many Republican Tea Party members have stood up and acknowledged the damage their little debt ceiling fiasco has caused?

 

Please rephrase your question.

 

Time and Washington post.......

Really Irie, how hard is it to just say that you didn't recall it? Noones infallible, but even in the face of documentation you still try and dismiss it with jabs at sources like Fox?

I'm as Partisan as the next guy, but there are times when you simply cannot ignore the obvious, and doing so reduces your credibility.

 

well now we have carney stating it. lets see what happens if his bill is passed.

 

No, I am just wondering where the jobs are that "may have come to fruition" through all the past urgent dealings from WH and Congress.
As for future plans on job creation, looking at what has NOT worked, I won't hold my breath on anything changing anytime soon.
Just more 'predictions' and plans.
So, besides semantics and words, why are so many people without jobs?

 

Heh, have you read the title of the thread? Obama, jobs...

 

Where are the jobs? China?

 

the Middle East. Read a story awhile back about 50Million up to as high as 2Billion was pledged by US to help create jobs there. Can't find the link now, but posted it in another thread around here.

 

I don't ask anyone to believe anything I say. If you think that I'm wrong and Obama, or anyone in his administration promised unemployment would not go above 8%, then show the quote of their actual statement saying that.

Not what Fox News or even Time or anyone else paraphrases or claims they said. An actual quoted statement making this promise.

I like you believed the Obama must have made this promise because I heard it so many times on the radio and posts here.

But one time I did some research for an actual, quoted statement of Obama or anyone in his administration making a promise, or even an affirmative statement, that unemployment would not go above 8%, I was shocked that I couldn't find *anything.*

Now I of course found the Romer report, but that doesn't have the word promise in it anywhere. It doesn't even have the word "8%". It contains projections based on estimates at the time, which the report caveats with numerous warnings and disclaimers that their estimates and projections are subject to great error, as I've posted in this thread.

But as to Obama, or anyone in his adminstration, making such a statement quoted in an article before the stimulus was passed?

Nada. Zilch. Zero.

And neither has anyone else when they've been questioned.

So it's easy to resolve this, Rich. If I'm wrong, as you claim, and they did make such a promise, give us a cite to an actual quoted statement where Obama or anyone in his administration promised or affirmatively stated unemployment would not go above 8%.

Then I'll concede I'm wrong.

But when you don't find that statement, maybe you'll stop and reflect on how it is so many people could believe Obama actually promised this, when there is no evidence of it. And then maybe you'll reflect a bit more on the statements in your post.

 

Where are what jobs? The forecast was on the amount of jobs that would be lost in the recession and whether it would be more or less.

The jobs lost have been as a result of the housing and financial collapse, in all areas of the economy, but construction has taken the biggest hit.

 

It does say that unemployment will be below 8% with the stimulus or over 8% without the stimulus.

This is the same as turning in your income tax form.

If it's wrong the IRS does not forgive you if there is no video on Youtube to verify that you really meant it.

The report is Romers and the report shows what it shows.

 

I'm sure if it was incorrect Christina Romer would have asked them to correct it. In fact why don't YOU ask them to correct it.

 

That's what the 9% unemployed keep asking.