Case against capitalism 2

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  1. Primus Epic

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    Apparently, you never learned to read, or you learned to read but never learned to comprehend what you were reading, or you thought you were reading a history book only to find out here that you were reading propaganda disguised as a history book. Either way my dear ignorant hybrid, you have much to learn about your own World History and who your Ancestors actually were in this world.

    Plato learned from Pythagoras and Socrates and both of them, Barima Adu-Asamoa tells us very succinctly, spend years studying in Ancient Kemet before doing anything of note in Greece. For example, Pythagoras spent 20+ years studying and learning in the Motherland and if you had taken the time out of your miserable life to actually read the people you claim to know something about then you would have already known that in his Bucyrus short, he tells you that he indeed studied both medicine and philosophy in Kemet. Furthermore, both Socrates and Plato (your hero) were persecuted in Greece. Do you know why Plato was so persecuted? It was not merely because he failed to recognize the pantheon of Greece at that time. It was because he promoted the Mystical Teachings that he learned as being "Truth" straight out of Kemet.

    Now, here you have a Greek, one whom you introduce indirectly into this thread through Plato, not knowing either his background or WHERE he obtained his knowledge. How does that make you feel? How does it feel to finally reach a small modicum of the education that you so sorely missed in "skuule" where you have been lied to and made to believe that somehow the political concepts now at play here in the United States came from Greece, when in fact 1,750 years BEFORE Homer set pen to his IIliad, which marks some of the oldest extant writings in all of European history, it was Homer himself who tells you that he studied Astronomy, Religion, Law and Politics in Kemet for at least seven (7) years?

    So, where did these "terms of debate defined as Liberal and Conservative" have their conceptual point of origin, if authored by the children of history you call Plato and Aristotle, who were nowhere on planet earth when the entire concept of Politics had already been developed thousands of years before?

    I know the history of my Ancestors fluently. Do you know the history of your Ancestors equally as fluent? You can delude yourself into believing (as you have) that everything begins with Greece, if you want to. However, that won't alter the facts of history that prove otherwise, nor will it improve your understanding of the same. But, it will keep you living in ignorance about your own World History.

    Now, you were saying something about welfare and standard libcommie? You are out of your depth here kid.
     
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    Ronstar Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    got any evidence that you are Egyptian?
     
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    Got any evidence that you are fully Human?

    Do the numbers 4 and 20+ ring a bell? Do the letters MtDNA and Y-DNA have resonance with you? Does the string OCA2 strike a particular chord? Any clue at all where you come from and how you got here on this planet? It has only been 8,000 to 35,000 years - except, we can't put an allele on the anthropological evidence that shows a direct connection between 8,000 to 35,000 years ago.

    In other words, what the hell happened? Somebody just dropped in from nowhere leaving no genetic trace to anywhere - other than the Motherland. A place the Romans renamed, Africa. They had a knack for renaming things they could not pronounce. I call it Trans-Illiterate-Formation, TIF for short. Heck, the Greeks did not even have their own alphabet before coming in contact with my Ancestors who were fluent in their own language which had its own proto-script.

    So, if your Ancestors did not even have their own language and had to borrow one from someone else, pretend that it was an original proto-script for eons before it came into wide accepted use and then return to my Ancestor's homeland where they had learned so much for FREE, then who are the real Socialist, here?

    I mean, seriously. It is idiotic to run around the internet so incredibly ignorant about the FREE EDUCATION that your Ancestors received in Ancient Kemet, when they did not even have their own damn alphabet and could not even speak the language of the place that later they would come back to invade, plunder, rape, steal and pillage on their way to building "the first civilization" the world has ever known, directly AFTER the first civilization the world had ever known had already been in existence for at least 8,000 years prior.

    The audacity. The temerity. The unmitigated gall. The hypocrisy. The pathological insanity of it all. The sociopathic hubris.

    Stick around. You will be educated if you hang around here long enough. I don't allow ignorance to tarry long in my presence.
     
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    according to 23andMe, I am 96% homo sapien sapien and 4% homo sapien neanderthalensis.

    now, how do YOU know that you are Egyptian?
     
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    :eyepopping:
    Okay. :eyepopping:

    So, we've established that you are 96% Homo Sapien Sapien. Now, where did Neanderthal component come from genetically speaking? I'm not looking for a science fiction Darwinistic chant from you, because the concept of natural selection as the path for the evolutionary arrival of Homo Sapien Sapien is just about as truthful as either Republicans or Democrats being solutions providers for what ails America. Both of those notions are fictional. What I am looking for is a hard scientific answer for WHERE Neanderthal originates on the X-axis of the genetic track running backwards from Homo Sapien Sapien, as you put it.

    If you want or need me to restate the proposition just for the sake of clarity, please let me know.

    I am not Egyptian by the way. There is no such thing as an Egyptian. The word "Egypt" is a mangled alliteration, but we'll get into the accurate history of that later.
     
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    OMG!!! only 2 year olds are proud that they can google something!!! You would be held in contempt of court for changing the subject!!! Do you understand???
     
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    dear,
    1) I didn't say everything begins with Greece. If I did I'll pay you $10,000.
    2) why so afraid to tell us from whom the modern concepts, liberal and conservative, originated?? What does your fear teach you? Notice how I can defeat you with 5% of the words you use??

    - - - Updated - - -

    yes, I was saying that you appear to be a standard libcommie. If not why not tell us what you are, if you have any idea.
     
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    Can you prove what you say, or is this yet another failed attempt at nonsequitur reply? If you can't read well enough to understand original prose and authorship then I would suggest that you quit posting drivel until you learn how.
     
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    I never said you did. However, your posts indicate that you believe it did. You don't need to directly specify a thing in order to have implied that same thing.


    Who so afraid to read what's been put directly in front of you and that answers the very question that you ask? I think this might be an example of how badly our school systems have failed us over the years. We used to teach students Reading, Writing, Composition and Comprehension. It is the comprehension component which you seem to lack.

    Analysis of written prose is one thing. Complete and abject failure to comprehend what's been so clearly written for you is quite another. Think about it before posting yet another gruelingly obvious nonsequitur reply.


    Attributing your own lack of worth to others while feigning to have defeating something is the epitome of nonsequitur reply. I don't have Neanderthal DNA in my gnome. So, what is there to fear exactly? Those who fear are those who do not know their origin on this planet. I'm not one of them.

    Now, the question was: Do you know your own origin on this planet? How far back can you trace your Ancestry? I can trace mine back to the first Woman in Sub-Saharan Motherland to give birth to the first Human child. Can you do that? When you can, then you realize you have nothing to fear.

    Now, tell me about your genetic migration path out of the Motherland. Or, do you not have a Motherland and is that what you truly fear - not having an origin in this world that you can put your finger on?


    I generate between $112 to $132 thousand dollars per 24-72 hours. I've been having a really bad several months being distracted by the current presidential campaign and mostly due to Hillary's emails and Donald's instability, all pre-planned and all pre-canned for the voting clueless who actually think they are watching a genuine election take place. I lost just slightly more than $43 thousand yesterday and am currently running about 87% recovery on that loss. So, these are really bad days for me right now in my business.

    I researched, developed, engineered and deployed the tech I use in my business on a daily basis and I did so from the ground up. There are no books on the bookshelf, bookstore or library where you can go to learn what I have innovated. Most innovators that I know don't settle for "standard" or "common" or "mediocrity." However, we can sure as hell identify the same when we come across it.

    I write my own paychecks each day. I tally them each week. Money is merely a method of keeping score for me. I don't dwell on it to much. I also don't have the security blanket of knowing that somebody else will be writing my paycheck for me. I don't have the luxury of relying on a business the someone else built for my sustenance. I don't have the freedom of knowing that if I fail, someone else will pick up the pieces for me, cleaning up my mess along the way. I have no customers, no vendors, no suppliers, no massive overhead and my only inventory is Capital. I have but one job on the planet right now and this is to grow Capital as fast as I possibly can.

    I've dropped my membership in either political party a long time ago. Neither one of them are worth a damn and neither of them will do anything to solve the real core problems in this country. These days my goal is to be the first individual self-made Trillionaire on planet earth, so that I can build the organizations that I see fit and that I see as necessary in the world. That's how I will make an impact for the good. What's your goal and what do you have planned?

    Libcommie. Really? Is that your absolute best effort? If so, you really need to step up your game. :salute:
     
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    yeah?

    prove it.

    copy and paste your genetic make up from 23andMe or some other genetic test company.

    here is mine

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    asasasasa.png
     
  11. Primus Epic

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    A) I have my own test results and they do not come from an at home test program.
    B) Unless you control properly and have good density population value data your test results could wildly vary from at home programs.
    C) Posting my test results would be meaningless as they can be easily digitally fabricated with any number of graphics applications.

    Now, back to the question at hand: Where did Hominid come from, how did he get here and how was his biology instantiated since he could not bring himself about on his own?

    That is the question that gets to the point that I am making here, not what your at-home DNA tests tells you. I want to know the origin of Neanderthal and Caucasian. There is no way to answer that question without knowing precisely how Hominid was brought into existence. You have two alternatives here:

    1) Humans somehow created the first proto-hominid.
    2) Someone or something else created the first proto-hominid.

    Hominid cannot self-instantiate and no Human has ever or will ever procreate naturally with a Primate. This will also answer the question of where Ashkenazi Jews come from because they did not originate in sub-saharan Motherland, or anywhere remotely close to it, including Palestine itself which my Ancestors considered to be part of their homeland.

    It is the "else" in number two above that I'm very much interesting in knowing the truth about. I am fairly sure that my Ancestors probably did not know about Animal/Human genetic splicing 8,000 to 10,000 years ago, or 35,000 years ago and certainly not 350,000 years ago.

    However, since they built the Pyramids and nobody to date can figure out how they did it (including the engineering expedition from Japan that failed to reproduce a single pyramid), maybe they had access to knowledge that has since been lost on civilization. We know that much was stolen and burned in the halls of many Kemetain libraries and places they used for education like Luxor, where they studied and where they practiced their Mystery teachings. Countless documents were burned and what was not burned was taken back to places like Alexander's private library and eventually even that was destroyed after it was looted - what goes around comes around, no doubt. So, the knowledge that my Ancestors had has either been lost or kept hidden.

    Else, Hominid owes its existence to something not of this world and that entity needed to have knowledge of both Human and Animal (Primate) biology. There is no third alternative that is rational or even remotely within the realm of possible.

    So, once again: How did Hominid get here? That is the question on the table. Can you answer it?
     
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    let me guess: Aliens.
     
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    dear, it is Politics 101. It is not Always whether you win or lose; but, how you place the blame that election cycle.
     
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    i claim it is just, lousy capital management. supply side economics should be supplying us with better governance at lower cost.
     
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    Well, Cuz?
     
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    Trickle Down leads to a Down Syndrome Economy replete with government paralysis and an Electorate so fractured that it cannot see its way to replacing that which causes the problem.
     
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    yes; supply side economics should be supplying us with better governance at lower cost; not, trickle down.
     
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    Why and how?

    I believe in something that I call Innovation Economics. I believe I've coined the term. Not tooting my own creative horn, but I like the idea so much that I have no problem reminding people that I birthed its terminology.

    Innovation Economics. First, kill the Fed we don't need it (I can easily explain why if necessary). The Rothschild family won't like it, but hey, we have nuclear weapons and that's ultimately enough push come to shove. Second, break up the massive banking monopoly and build-out and strategically deploy smaller communal/community investment banks. Notice I did not say credit unions. You want smaller, locally grown, community linked and directly connected free market investment banks (I can explain why that would be necessary as well). Third, revamp K-12 education entirely by creating a completely new and different paradigm of developing young minds to expect a PhD level education as the norm. In other words, the United States of America becomes land of the PhD (I can explain why that would be necessary as well). Fourth, integrate STEM as the fundamental principle of behind all K-12 education and systematically integrate K-12 with redesigned BS, MS and PhD programs with specific curriculum tracks with branches into various intellectual disciplines that are themselves Talent Pipelines into a wide spectrum of new economy career paths. Finally, transform the United States consumer economy to a New Energy Technology Economy by way of incubating, fostering, growing and developing deeply held social beliefs (this is huge) tied to the future expansion and survival of humanity beyond planet earth.

    Ok, I'll stop right there because this is where most people begin to roll their eyes, rotate their heads and spew oatmeal from their mouths like Carrie Fisher going through an exorcist merely because they have difficult seeing the vision at this stage. However, if you do the above you will eventually achieve an Innovation based Economy where Classical meets Keynesian economics and where the AD/AS curves actually join a synergistic relationship, where Price remains in tact while relative Production soars - literally to the next galaxy and beyond.

    I understand that this vision is so far beyond anything we've ever attempted in the past that it might seem onerous at first glance. However, when you stop to think about the alternative that will produce nothing but constant boom/bust cycles driven by poor fiscal/monetary policy and no real vision for a future economy based on expansion as a natural function, you will soon realize just how much of a needed paradigm shift this kind of thinking turns out to be. Not just for the United States but for the entire world.

    Of course, no doubt, I am way out in front of the curve on this one and I don't expect much collaboration of thought. Having said that, this kind of new model would solve the world's economic problems for an eternity while changing the definition of "wealth" and "wealth creation" forever and for the better. The average standard of living would increase by several hundred percent and we would begin to live on a planet where war was literally anathema to our existence. In other words, we would finally give birth to a planet ready to join the rest of the truly civilized Universe.

    At the end of the day, nothing worthwhile is ever accomplished without genuine Innovation.
     
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    Amend again the Federal Reserve Act to eliminate the dual mandate which added maximizing employment to return to price stabilization and implement the Taylor Rule for setting interest rates. Repeal Dodd-Frank which has been killing community banks. Implement a voucher system for K-12 leading to the type of schools that you favor plus many other alternatives including those focussed on blue collar occupations which require specific training (welding, hvac, plumbing, electricians, etc ..). We don't need every kid to have a PhD. "Finance" only ecudational programs deeming economically necessary to the economic growth of the US (we don't need PhD's in 17th century European literature to grow the economy). No comment on the last one - it's a bit out there.

    All this IMO is doable with little political impact but Hillary Clinton will never get behind anything like it.
     
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    Remove the Fed entirely. An Innovation Economy needs no such gearing mechanisms as it would be in a sense self-gearing. In addition, the 9:1 fractional banking that comes as a result of the Fed being the funding source and the repeated failure to get the money supply correct, guarantees either direct or indirect inflationary conditions which in turn drafts more bad target rate decisions by the Fed. We saw this take place on the election of George W. Bush (43), where the Fed began killing the USD both at home and abroad with rate increased that were far too aggressive and too rapid. All of the major currencies soared in relation to the USD making it weaker abroad and here at home.

    The result was a shift in Tic flows to the downside and its associated negative consequences were coupled to increasingly weaker US economy overall, as just the start of a number of other problems that would later come. We saw this happening from 2000, right up to the day of the 2008 implosion. This is just one way that managing monetary policy through the targeted gearing of rates can be destructive. The entire time to 2006, Alan Greenspan was on the hawkish side of rate kills. The JBT Rule would not be necessary in an Innovation Economy given all of the functional components briefly highlighted above.

    The Fed allegedly tries to balance GDP and Inflation by gearing target rates to move either of the two curves in a prescribed direction, essentially. Well, what if you could actually have an economy where GDP was increasing and Inflation was naturally kept in check. That would essentially be a self-gearing economy and that's possible in my Innovation Economic Model because all of the underlying forces that would contribute to inflation simply would not exist as there would be no more FRB/FRL debt. No more Central Interest Debt, or what I call CID factor. A CID factor of zero in every model I have produced shows a synergistic net/net effect between AD/AS and allows Profits to increase without destabilizing Price or in anyway hampering Productivity. A literal Win/Win/Win/Win and all done without a Central Bank. We just don't need it.


    Amen and pass the smelling salt. It has been killing other things too related to my business and I can't stand it.


    I have no problem with the voucher approach, especially in the embryonic phases of a shift to an Innovative Economy. However, that type of economic model will depend on the nation's educational system long term. So, education as a whole; the way we define what an education looks like, its intent and purpose; would need to change. We waste too much time in K-12 developing the critical thinking functions that young minds will need to contribute to the Innovation Economy. Such a model won't be able to spare a single Mind. All Minds Matter in my model. We are going to need every brain fully engaged in problem solving as that would be a major part of the "innovation" revolution that needs to take place.


    I have to disagree on that. I just watched Hillary Clinton, give another economic speech and I was very saddened by the notion she proposed (which is not new) that somehow a college degree is not for everyone. I just don't like the tone or the tenor of such a message. Where I come from and where I grew up, people would have given their left arm to obtain a college education.

    The problem has been that our economy over the decades has not produced the kinds of highly inspiring careers and jobs in anywhere near enough numbers that would fire up kids to want to participate at full intellectual speed. What's the point off working your butt off for a PhD in a field that is either shrinking or designated as an endangered species within the next 5 years. Of course, that takes the wind out of the sails, especially when you have college debt hanging over your head. So, in that scenario sure - you do feel like any job you can get that pays the bills is worth more than developing your mind to the fullest by going through a well designed and well delivered (because not all of them are well delivered) Degree Program.

    Most importantly, in an Innovation Economy, every Mind Matters and every Mental Contribution Counts. We will need young minds solving tough problems on a technical level because let's face it, the greatest frontier out there exists mostly (not all) within the Technical realm and we need to produce more STEM mindsets that can envision human life beyond our world. That will take more than just a "degree." That will take a world class education, world class research, world class creative problem solving and world class vision.

    #AllMindsMatter. #PhDForAll. That will provide part of the solid foundation for making an Innovation Economy robust and sustainable. Besides, we should not fear the process of seeking Perfection. We may never get there, but striving for Perfection will guarantee that our failures are so much further down the road of progress than they would be by perfecting mediocrity. We will still have the Arts, Sports, Humanities, and the Non-Science based paths. But, the focus would be a shift towards those disciplines that make maintaining an Innovation Economy a sustainable reality and that must begin at K-12 and be well integrated through the PhD.


    PhD focus on all things required for an Innovative Economy, yes. 17th century European Lit? A BA will do. I'm not coming down on non-scientists. I love the Arts. I played a musical instrument (actually three) when I was in elementary school. Those are great educations to have. But, like you just said, the focus needs to be on turning our economy and our world into a Lifestyle Powerhouse driven by a Powerhouse Economy and genuinely seeking a way to expand humanity beyond Earth I, to Earth II.

    No, she will not. This whole system is antithetical to anything like this. What's needed is a shift in the thought process of people at a very deep level. People need to feel and be connected to something far bigger than themselves. Let's say that we knew there would be a meteor impact within the next 500 years that would devastate 3/5ths of the earth's surface leaving no flesh alive. Well, we could all cower and go Total Anarchy to the point of Zombie World made manifest. Or, we could try to do something to deal with that which was bigger than any one individual. We could seriously seek out an Earth II existence.

    To accomplish that goal, we would have to do precisely what I am suggesting right now and 500 years may not be enough given the technological challenges. However, the economic prosperity and increase in standard of living would be epic along the way - not to mention the overall quality of life for all.

    Of course, we are comfortable in our mediocrity and we foolishly believe that this paradigm will go on forever. China, thinks at least 100 years into its future. We have a hard time thinking 1 week into our own. That is our problem.
     
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    Why?

    Because I am tired of hearing the right complain about taxes while having nothing but repeal, instead of better solutions at lower cost.

    Supply side economics should be supplying us with better governance at lower cost; through simplification of government.

    Solving for the capital effects of capitalism's, natural rate of unemployment and simple poverty on at-will basis and at the rock bottom cost of a form of minimum wage is one example. The legal and physical infrastructure already exists in our republic.
     
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    china exports wealth from slave labor, not living wages.

    in return for taking advantage of their people, they get wealth from American crony capitalists willing to do the same to Americans.

    which is better living in the chinese middle class, or living in the richer half of the American middle class
     
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    We have a Commerce Clause. Why not "punish" them with lucre by improving their Standard of living, so their labor costs increase?
     
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    Donald Trump will punish their lucre with tariffs, and that could improve the china men's standard of living, whose communist leaders are in bed with American crony capitalists.

    if trade must go on for capitalism, the American standard of living for its poorer half of people must be bettered.
     
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    Sure we can make everything here at twice the price to impoverish Americans and let the Chinese starve to death!! Liberals are filled with compassion
     

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