Charlie Crist defeats Nikki Fried in Fla. Dem governor's primary; will face DeSantis

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  1. 19Crib

    19Crib Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I see it as irrational behavior by irrational people. Rather than think rationally, they go for laughs.
    We have all been around those people.
     
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    Oh I see the confusion on merit. That post is mean for another progressive in another thread regarding layoffs. And for that I apologize. With regards to DeSantis. Can you please give examples as to how he is any of those things beyond a leader who is against Marxism, socialism or communisim?

    Surely you can, right?
     
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    Well, you have reduced your logical fallacy argument now to another failed attempt to get someone to chase a rabbit down another hole. That was too easy, sorry, but when you can address and deal with my post your quoted but deflected from with the distinction without a difference disingenuous screed I might actually take your post with some seriousness. Here it is and it's about Trump being a neo-fascist:
    Neofascist per wiki:
    Neo-fascism is a post-World War II ideology that includes significant elements of fascism. Neo-fascism usually includes ultranationalism, racial supremacy, populism, authoritarianism, nativism, xenophobia, and anti-immigration sentiment, as well as opposition to liberal democracy, parliamentarianism, liberalism, Marxism, neoliberalism,[1] communism, and socialism.
     
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    Do you have evidence that he is anti-immigration, xenopobia, nativism, authoristarian, racial supremacy? Or are you just tacking those on to his being anti marxism, communism and socialism?

    You are making the claim when using the term Neo Fascist...so...defend your claim.
     
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    Your are still failing and flailing to create a straw man to rail against, and it's embarrassing. I did not make a "claim", I stated a fact. Requesting I defend a fact is inherently disingenuous and again, a grasp for straw. The deep end is not the forte of distinction without difference arguments that are child's play to expose.
    Here it is AGAIN and it's about Trump being a neo-fascist:
    Neofascist per wiki:
    Neo-fascism is a post-World War II ideology that includes significant elements of fascism. Neo-fascism usually includes ultranationalism, racial supremacy, populism, authoritarianism, nativism, xenophobia, and anti-immigration sentiment, as well as opposition to liberal democracy, parliamentarianism, liberalism, Marxism, neoliberalism,[1] communism, and socialism.
     
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    So we've now moved from DeSantis to Trump somehow?

    Not like Trump is any of those things either but I am just going to conclude that you wish to brand people with scary labels without the need to back them up as a means to cancel them?

    Ok then. I can then declare you a marxist socialist as a state of fact and call it the day.

    :)
     
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    Based on the bolded, it would appear that you have conceeded that when you quoted me, your lack of point was a "distinction without a difference" logical fallacy. Good. Then, the bolded also show the need to deflect to another distraction logical fallacy. No need for me to keep showing this weakness, it's obvious And yes, Trump and his despot apprentice Desantis, are neo-fascists. :)
     
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    He declared without proof or accountability. I've declared that both Trump and DeSantis are anti communist, socialist or marxist. Outside of that no, I wouldn't classify them as "neo-facist".

    Something you proudly declare without the means or the will to back up that claim.

    You post with emotions. Should probably stop doing that.

    ;)
     
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    It's obvious^ that defeat is a hard pill to swallow. Can't help with that but Trump and Desantis are neo-fascists.
     
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    Back up your statement that either DeSantis (and now Trump) is a neo fascist.

    If not, easy W.

    Thanks for playing.
     
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    I stated facts, you are still flailing and failing to get an angle while being unable to dispute or debunk or even logically debate much less logically counterpoint anything I posted. Basically, you are struggling to tread water with the mere deflections and strawman fails. As for playing, I'm already on high ground so.....
     
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    You made a statement. I'm still waiting on your facts. Back up your neo fascist labels on DeSantis or Trump or I get to continue holding the win here.

    :)
     
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    Well, when one^ "voluntairily" devolves one's position down to asking for proof of obvious facts, the deep end is most definitely out of one's comfort zone. I suggest reading my sigs if clarification is necessary in the interim.
     
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    oh oh...so now it's "obvious"? So "obvious" that one refuses to back up these claims? LOL. K

    Easy win.
     
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    I'd suggest the need for Danth's Law is obvious.
     
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    even among republicans, de santis stands out as covid's greatest ally and supporter. he is not much more than a culture warrior.

    crist is a former repub who checks anu box as "conservative"
     
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    Good one. Except I've asked you several times to back up your claims and you refuse to do so with the air tight argument of "it's obvious so I don't have to". Ever heard that defense used in a court of law? Neither have I.

    Easy win.
     
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    What ever you need to ensure one sleeps well as we already know who the deep end champ is. I'm sure you'll remember the next time you decided to quote my deadly accurate post with a B/S deflection on the topic of Trump and DeInsanetis being neo-fascists.
     
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    If you can't verify that opinion with any kind of concrete examples on request then your opinion is dog ****.

    That's just truth. lol

    So you can go ahead and call anything you do like NeoFacist...it holds no value.
     
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    A self reflective post^ with deep irony. Exactly the same condition that afflict neo fascists like Trump and Desantis, blindly punching from the inside of a paper bag.
     
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    Except I'm not the one calling them Neofascists. And if I were I would certainly have examples on call to back up my claim. Something with a bit more teeth on it then "dude it's obvious"

    LOL
     
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    This desperation to flog a dead horse is a step on the path of acceptance. Please read my second quote carefully. It's an accepted fact that Trump and his wannabee are neo fascists. Burying your head in the sand and claiming some mythical win is child's play. Hope this helps sharpen those skills, but, we shall see. Trump likes easy marks, me not so much.
     
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    I haven't seen him be anything like DJT, we have Lepage who acts a lot like Trump
     
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    Oh so it's an accepted fact.

    Lol..

    I don't accept your accepted fact. Prove it
     
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    Working^ to save the embarrassment of post failing and flailing and then declaring some "sandbox mentality" victory after a severe loss is simply wasting both our time but it's understandable given the depth of the defeat. Self induced BTW, but again I can only help with exposure, after all, Trump and Desantis are neo fascists and they are doomed to failure and that's gonna cut deep.
     
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