Cheney slams Trump on 'big lie' over election

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  1. ChiCowboy

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    Lol. That's okay. I got live resin.

    It does seem to scare them off, though.
     
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    "if the voter’s signature on it does not resemble the signature on the voter’s registration form."

    Regardless of who complains, why should this be allowed? If it doesn't resemble the signature on the voter's registration form, there's a possibility(more than a distinct one) that a different person signed such a form. I don't think this exception should be allowed, because it'll be way too easy for fraud to be committed, on both sides.
     
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    It's like a drug, no doubt. Which is why they have to keep coming back for it, over and over and over. There have always been political fanboys, but fanboys move on. This is very different.
     
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    Mail votes are verifiable online. It's impossible to steal someone's ballot and forge the signature unless the voter doesn't check. Surely, somebody's gonna check. This conspiracy obviously didn't happen.
     
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    It'll be way too easy to toss out legitimate ballots over someone else's mistake. Let's err on the side of democracy.

    P.S. Trump and his cohorts have only complained about these matters in certain swing states, i.e. states where he lost. They don't care about this in other states.
     
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    Or let's make it easier to vote/harder to cheat the system both things can be accomplished by a secure system where you get one signature or one check mark and bam(or an online web page or something.)
     
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    I think what people aren't seeing is the 21st century practice of not needing a signature for identification. I can apply for, receive, and max out out a credit card in a matter of minutes. No signature needed. No photo ID. If a bank can securely lend me a couple grand in minutes, surely we can hold secure elections where the activity is far less enticing than cold hard cash.
     
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    Voter fraud is statistically non-existent, especially 2020. You need a problem before you need a solution. People don't like to vote. Nobody goes around doing something they don't like, risking prison, for no reason. It doesn't happen, outside of a handful of times which are prosecuted. The safeguards are such that a national election cannot be stolen. It's literally impossible, hence the conspiracy theories.
     
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    Cheney is a fraud. Democrats are welcome to her.

    Trump Vindicated as Judge Rules Michigan Secretary of State Violated Election Laws

    Judge Rules Michigan Secretary of State Violated Election Laws.

    The Court in Michigan has vindicated President Trump by ruling that Secretary of State Jocelyn Benson, a Democrat, broke state law when she unilaterally changed election rules concerning absentee balloting in the 2020 election. This ruling validates a key claim made by the Trump legal team in its challenges to the 2020 election.

    A major change imposed by Benson was undercutting the signature verification requirement for absentee ballots.

    The court made the following conclusion:
    She broke the law. Just as we always said.
    Hopefully the next election is one with results that can be presumed to be valid.
     
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    Non-sequitur. The legality of her decision is irrelevant to the validity of the ballots.

    This is the SoS, not voter fraud. If that's a moral victory, more power to ya. It doesn't change anything.
     
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    Wait is not her husband Dick Cheney he who literally personifies corruption and now he's a darling of the Democrats LOL
     
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    Republicans in PA broke the constitutional law when they expanded mail in voting. Then they blmed democrats for tricking them.
     
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    Dick Cheney is her father, but the two are entirely separate. Liz is her own person and should be judged at such. Anyways, Dick Cheney is in no way a darling of the democrats lol!
     
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    That's simplistic and self-serving, though wrongdoing did occur on several levels.

    i) Election laws must be made by state legislatures, not governors or state supreme courts, according to the U.S. Constitution.

    ii) Under the PA Constitution, changes in election law must be made by constitutional amendment.
     
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    i) The supreme court has ruled on what the words "state legislatures" in the constitution means, and their ruling does not coincide with what you are saying.

    ii) republicans who control PA legislature broke their own constitutional laws then went on TV blaming democrats
     
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    LMAO…Who the **** are you trying to fool? I thought this sort of intellectual dishonesty was beneath you.
    You know that trump has the repubs terrified and dancing to his tune.
    Part of it is cowardice and greed, but they are stuck in a rut of their own making. They have to keep doing it now to save face for their dereliction of duty while he was potus.
    The irony is that if they had neutered trump when he started soiling their party and our country and removed him from office, they probably would have won the 2020 election.
    I think that Cheney is going to bring down what’s left of trump’s sewer.
    The only one rooting against her is the trump cult and they are the ones who will be made irrelevant.
    Americans are tired of trump and his malignant narcissism, and anyone still trying to ape trump is going to suffer the same fate.
     
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    It's not intellectual dishonesty, I sincerely have moved beyond Trump. He's not President anymore. Biden is, and Biden is my focus and his success(hopefully) and failure(honestly, more likely than not) is what I'm looking for.
     
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    We've had mail in votes for decades, and all of a sudden, it's a problem?
     
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    You don’t know that without a signature verification audit. Let’s assume there was massive fraud in a state like WI or PA who did not verify signatures.

    How would you know without a signature verification audit?
     
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    Lol did you look at their ruling? The court said that even though the law says that EVERYTHING on the ballot envelope is supposed to be checked against registry records, because it doesn’t EXPLICITLY say to check the signature, that means it doesn’t need to be checked. Do you agree that was the legislatures intent when they put the signature on the envelope and then said everything on the envelope has to be tested against registration records?

    Or did PA’s liberal Supreme Court screw everyone
     
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    You remember Cleveland? I thought I was old remembering Ike and Truman
     
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    Pennsylvania started mass mail last year. And they stopped signature verification of those mail in ballots weeks before the election. Why would they do that?

    Why would they remove literally the ONLY way to verify that the vote was made by the person claiming they are?
     
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    I have no idea how they cheated. Maybe they didn’t cheat at all. But NONE of us have any idea without a proper signature verification audit.
     

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