Chicago hits the 1,000 homicide mark in a year

Chicago has had 1,000+/- homicides in the last year (actually a bit less than a year). So my question is, how can a city that possesses .8% of the nations population, account for about 10% of the nations homicides?

Given that gun control is supposedly effective, how is that possible?

 

gun control is only as good as the gun control of your neighbors.

 

But acquiring said firearms is a felony, I thought that criminals would avoid felonies?

I mean, murder is a felony, and no one murders. Ever.

 

Anti gun folks seem to think that these urban gang bangers that are responsible for these statistics need a new gun every time they commit these crimes.
A firearm is meant to be around for generations. The urban streets are flooded with guns and there is no need to go straw purchase from outside the city.
Dont get me wrong, plenty of straw purchases take place, but even without them, these thugs have no problem using the gun that they have had for many prior crimes. Getting black market guns are as easy as buying drugs in these areas. Even if there were no gun stores starting today, the existing guns will be around for a long time.
Another contributor is law enforcement in the high crime areas. There are parts of Chicago, Baltimore, St. Louis, Indianapolis, and Oakland the police wont even venture into unless they are dispatched to these locations to clean up the aftermath.. They won't aggressively practice proactive policing. These places are just too dangerous for police.

 

when you post a serious comment, let me know

 

When you address the question posed in the OP, let me know.

 

How can you consider a comment that says "gun control is only as good as the gun control of your neighbors" a serious comment? You cannot control your neighbor through laws if they don't follow laws. Inane statement.

 

LOL How purposely misleading, what is the crime rate of the neighbors...come back when you have common sense!

 

What I think you're talking about is total number of shootings for the year which is at last count was 1060+ and 182 total homicides. It takes about 2 years and change for Chicago to reach a thousand homicides. Reference the website Heyjackass, it will give you the data in an easily understandable graph format. BTW the comments sections are a laugh. BTW the website Homicide Watch Chicago will document race and ethnicity of victims and known perps.

 

Then you recognize that there is no legitimate point in any particular city or state attempting to enact its own firearm control laws, if they can be easily subverted by simply going to another state. You have easily discredited the entire notion of states attempting to step up where the federal government has refrained from going.

 

Do you understand the idea of "cost" theory? That if the costs of doing something are low then you will do that vs. a high cost action?

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That makes as much sense as saying we shouldn't have laws at all because everyone can break them.

 

We don't pass feel good laws just so we can say we did "something".

 

Actually yes we do. All the time. It's about politicians feeling that they have to respond to the people, even if the law is pointless. Would you like it if politicians ignored you for the sake of a greater plan?

 

The difference is that there is a huge contingent of Americans and pro 2a groups that won't stand for politicians responding with knee jerk reactions, that are pointless, and only affect responsible firearm owners.

 

And then there are everyday average Americans who hear something on the news and want something immediately done about it. Gun rights, economics, foreign policy, we don't care what it is. All those groups have lobbyists who want "what's best" for their group. It doesn't matter the issue, the outcome is the same. We just want it dealt with and go back to our average lives.

 

I understand people want something done. The problem is after "something has been done, and we find things continue as usual, people will want something more to be done. Where does it end? Passing useless laws is fine I guess, unless these laws infringe on 2a rights. If people are truly concerned about gun homicides, shouldn't they focus on a way to be the most effective?

 

Then there are the majority of average Americans who are sick of crime, sick of being victims, and demand the ability of defending themselves since the government and good intentioned cops can't do that very thing. They don't care what the government thinks, they just want to protect their families with the same tools criminals have. Your side is losing....find a way to blame and punish the criminals.

 

That's what they are doing. They see that lower gun rates mean lower crime rates. So lower the gun rates and the crime rates will fall as well. Whether you like it or not, this is the basic idea.

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http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2012/06/11/12170947-fbi-violent-crime-rates-in-the-us-drop-approach-historic-lows?lite
Fun fact, as gun rates lowered in the US, so too did crime rates.

 

Not true but good try

 

Fun fact.... Homicide rates have been on a downward trajectory since the mid nineties. All while gun ownership and concealed carry licenses have skyrocketed.

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http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/nics/reports/nics_firearm_checks_-_month_year.pdf

Nics check have been rising ... The FBI says this is the best way to gauge firearm ownership trends.

 

http://www.cnn.com/2013/03/06/us/guns-laws-mortality/

 

But only in recent years. The trend for the most part has been lowered gun rates in the US.
"The data, collected by the Injury Prevention Journal, the United Nations Office on Drugs and Crime, the General Social Survey and population figures from the U.S. Census Bureau, found that the number of U.S. households with guns has declined, but current gun owners are gathering more guns."
http://www.cnn.com/2012/07/31/politics/gun-ownership-declining/index.html
This is one of the reasons if we look at things from an economic standpoint, the NRA has been very vocal in. It's to reverse this trend.

 

And you know this how? Just who is collecting the data and how? The Census? Really? I would NEVER tell anyone conducting a survey what I own. The United Nations? Huh? Are they collecting it from instant background checks? Here's a huge hint. Guys like me don't need to undergo them. As for the credibility of CNN, you've got to be kidding.

 

You didn't look at the FBI chart did you?
Nine million nics checks in 1999 and climbed every year to Twenty million last year.

The standard anti gun response has been " but gun owners are hoarding guns" and individual ownership is down.
I've challenged antis on here many times to provide proof of that claim.... So far they just post opinion pieces not data. Surveys of samples of people are not data. Gun owners are keenly aware of anti gun agendas and will not answer honestly, as encouraged by pro gun groups. I would never tell a survey taker that I own firearms. Both the survey groups are anti gun groups. The violence prevention center conducted the survey and there is no greater anti gun group. If I post stats from the nra would you believe them?

From your citation:
Still, while it is possible to collect accurate data on the number of guns in the United States using manufacturing, import-export and life-cycle data for the guns, the federal government has little idea of who the guns owners are, gun policy experts said.

 

So that goes with what I have been saying. Those checks could have been for the same people, probably reapplying as needed, and 20 million isn't that much. The US population is a 1/3 billion people, 20 million is nothing. That goes with the study's findings.

So you say that gun owners will lie about their guns. Ok, so then the government should have this information. Also:
"The number of households owning guns has declined from almost 50% in 1973 to just over 32% in 2010, according to a 2011 study produced by The University of Chicago's National Opinion Research Center. The number of gun owners has gone down almost 10% over the same period, the report found

The concentration comes, in part, because guns are "marketed by and large to people who already own guns," Lizotte said.

He also said that guns are specialty items, like tools in a tool box, so those who own guns are more likely to buy additional guns for different hunting purposes, for instance."

This was a study done.