Christian Church Opens Doors To Muslims

You may well find that somebody comes along who is conversant with the Qu'ran to cut you off at the pass.

 

There's nothing I like more then the intelligent debate, Moon. Brrrrring'em on

 

You are right! Christians believe that to enter God's Kingdom, and attain 'unity' with a God who consists of Pure Love, they must have 'love' themselves, so humility is a prequisite. Muslims worship a different god.

 

I've got my doubts abt Dutch. (wink)

 

The floor usually does get dirty when US troops bomb the mosque

Check out Haditha massacre

 

Interesting that so-called "Christian" have'nt always ( most time NOT ) practiced what the claim to believe - Pure LOVE ?

Are youy awar that so-called "Christians " have since they gained power , commmitted some of the world's worse arocites - not only against non-Christians but ALSO against each other ?

GO LEARN .

Meanwhile also learn how to find common ground with other faiths .

 

Who was Obama praying to at Al Azhar Mosque in Cairo?

He and his entourage found it easier to pray to Jesus pbuh in our mosque than they ever would in any synagogue that shouts obscenties about Jesus pbuh and his mother and family

 

That's what happens when terrorists use a mosque for terrorist purposes.

 

It was probably a peace gesture by some Egyptians, after some Copts were killed by the military when protesting the burning of their church. The presecution of Christians is on going, and as one Copt said to our Congressional committee, it has nothing to do with the present Egyptian government. No matter what government is in power, the hatred towards the Copts is so much a part of them, that the Copts consider themselves the Jews of Egypt. From what I gather, the hatred has more to do with economics than with religion. The Copts are resented because they tend to be wealthier than the Muslims. The rest of the Christians were kicked out and had their goods confiscated for that same reason fifty years ago.

You're right, and it occurred because of the schism in Christianity. When the Crusaders came, they decided to put their own Patriarch in Jerusalem, so to stop the fighting between the Roman Catholics and Greek Orthodox, the keys to the Church of the Holy Sepulcher were given to the Muslims.

This is a video of the Orthodox Easter Celebration at the Church of the Holy Sepulcher and towards the end, you will see the Muslim guards with their red fez's. When the Holy Fire appears, the Orthodox Patriarch leaves the tomb and passes it to the crowds. The flame represents Christ's Resurrection and the light He gave to the world and the reason people are touching it is because it doesn't burn for the first twenty minutes.

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Baptism and calling oneself a Christian doesn't make one a Christian believe me. It only illuminates one towards Christ. We have been given a free will by God, so it's our choice whether we will turn to Him and repent of our sins, and acquire His Holy Spirit of Love within us, or not. The process is a long and arduous one, and as you see most so called 'Christians' fall far short of the mark. We are still though a Christian based society, although I don't know how long that will last.

 

Fallujah's mosques hid arms, militants

DOHA, Qatar — The U.S. military captured at least 15 portable surface-to-air missiles capable of shooting down aircraft, dozens of mortar tubes and sophisticated anti-tank weapons among hundreds of weapons caches found in the Iraqi militant stronghold of Fallujah, according to a classified military report. The report said that one out of every two mosques in Fallujah were used to hide fighters or weapons during a recent offensive. Fallujah is called the "city of mosques" because it has at least 100 such houses of worship.



http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/news/world/iraq/2004-11-28-iraq-weapons-report_x.htm

Don't hide an ammunition dump inside the mosque or shoot from the mosque, and it won't get bombed. And why do muslims have so little respect for the house of Allah in the first place?

 

Yeah ! So goes the theory Let me know when you can see it widely practiced, .

 

Dutch - go read WW2 history - you'll learn many instances especially in France + Serbia where Resistance Freedom Fighters with the co-operations from Priests , conducted their operations against Nazi from Churches.

On the otherhand hundreds of churches /cathedrals was destroyed during the war even when not specifically targetted , end result's the same. . That's war .

 

LoL.... then don't (*)(*)(*)(*)ing complain Americans don't take their shoes off when walk into the battle-zone, right?

 

I make no claims to being a particular scholar on such matters, but:
"And the servants of (Allah) Most Gracious are those who walk on the earth in humility, and when the ignorant address them, they say, "Peace!" "(Quran 25:63)
"And do not turn your cheek [in contempt] toward people and do not walk through the earth exultantly. Indeed, Allah does not like everyone self-deluded and boastful." (Quran 31:18 )

So maybe not quite so 'different', then.

 

Thank you for giving me the quote from the Quran. I do appreciate it. The difference in Christianity with Islam and Judaism, is the way a person acquires the love and humility they need to unite with God. We believe it cannot be achieved by following moral laws, and has to come from God. So we have to ask Him for it and repent of our sins. This is why it is called God's Grace. It's a gift given to us by God.

 

You are correct in that Muslims worship a different God than do Christians. You will very often get argument from some Muslims usually r-Muslim’s will take issue claiming that we (Christians) and they (Muslims) worship the same God. Sometimes Muslims holding those views have no malicious motive and are simply repeating what they were taught or learned by reading questionable research material.

Of course some Muslims believe that their God is the same as the Christian from not being taught at all (ignorance). The last and most dangerous are those Muslims that claim to believe Allah is the same as YAHWEH, knowing they are lying. The reason for the ulterior lie is to promote and hopefully bestow credibility to the false claim by using Christianities antiquity, superior documentation etc. Recently some Muslim scholars, authors, and professors committed the same parasitic ethical atrocities writing revisionist and widely distributing history and geography etc. A good example of recent propagandize revisionist history authorship in collusion with political bodies etc is the Palestine debacle in all its fraudulent glory. I am sure history will condemn the suburb and successful lie that tricked most of the gullible naïve world, however if war results from the ‘Historical Arab Palestine, the nation’ propaganda coup, it will most likely bloom into an all out nuclear war. So, alas, there may be no one left alive on the planet to write a proper condemnation of the r-Muslim perpetrators of the said coup, lets not forget the perps temporal allies and collaborators ie ; the UN, the PC world opinion, the Kangaroo world court and others. Last but not least lets do mention the real shaker and mover, the altemporal designer of Armageddon ie 'the dragon' aka the deceiver of men, aka 'the father of all lies' .....

reva

 

It was a thoughtful move on two levels - one, it got people out of the cold and two, it avoided the possibility that we have seen elsewhere, where the locals start complaining about Muslims praying in the street.

Given that they are so near they had doubtless built up good relations by being in constant contact.

 

That would suggest that to Muslims God is love and humility

Is the Christian God not ethical - or to put it another way, does the Christian God not expect people to act in an ethical way?

I am sorry to say this, but this sounds like an excuse for doing wrong with the full knowledge that if you ask, you can be let off.

Better not to do the harm in the first place. Genuine love never harms. What you seem to be suggesting is a different approach. In my reading of what you are saying, Muslims must change themselves but Christians do not believe they have potential, so do not take much care about morals and then just pray for forgiveness.

In Buddhism you would be judged by your intention when carrying out your action.

 

I don't think so. The concept of a ' creator ' is a great leveller. Different beliefs create different clothes and attitudes for their deity but it's the self-same concept which underpins them all. When Man is eventually confronted by the truth of a creative event-horizon it will be the same realisation of truth for everybody. We can all colour it differently in our minds, to calm our fear , explode our bliss or retain our sanity- but it's the same external reality for us all. One ' god'- different names.

 

If it is a different god, why would they say it was the same god?

 

Thanks for sharing your thoughts. I would like to be able to say yes, Muslims and Christians worship the same God but ‘technically’* they do not. There are many, very many blatent differences etc that are oil and water different between Islam and Christanity. That said I do believe that 'philosophically speaking' everyone worships the same God, if they are worshiping the true God, ie the creator, just as you pointed out. Not too long ago I wrote a few threads here at PF concerning the abysmal difficulty that we as believers even highly triple degreed learned men and/or life long adherents of a particular religion have in assigning accurate descriptive attributes to their version of a particular God(s). In one thread I used a bad metaphor to attempt to describe my thoughts. The metaphor was about believers being different tailors all absent and separated from their client and each charged with making a custom suit for a him taking measurements etc over a non-camera cell phone!

Lol...

The adherents of various religions/faiths are represented by the tailors and God is the client. The completed suit equals religions of the world. Lol… see? I doubt any of the suits will fit the client perfectly, just as no religion has everything right about the creator. However some suits will fit better than others eh? Then again some suits may very well approach perfection. So that is how I understand religion ie that Christianity is the near perfect fit, others will undoubtedly think Islam or _____ is the best fit. There is a rub though. What happens when God tells his followers this; John 14:6. New International Version (NIV). 6 Jesus answered, “I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me. (one of many references to it’s a particular Gods way or the highway) Other religions have just as fatal nuances ?

reva

 

Do you want the long complicated version or the short and sweet version? Lol Ii believe there are many reasons, some pure and good, some malicious, and/or not malicious but concealing a reason or an agenda for the claim be it true or false. Then there are those that honestly think they are the same deity, again for reasons known only to them.

reva

 

Balderdash and piffle. He's the God of Abraham. the same for all three.

 

Indonesians Mark Easter Outdoors After Church Closures

More than 200 Indonesian Christians on Sunday held an Easter service in front of the presidential palace, demanding the government stop church closures in the world’s most populous Muslim country.

Amid hooting cars and other traffic noise, men, women and toddlers sang hymns and said prayers in a two-hour service that also served as a protest against the lack of protection for religious minorities. The worshipers came from three areas on the outskirts of Jakarta where local government officials shut churches, citing community opposition or the lack of proper building permits.

http://www.thejakartaglobe.com/news/indonesians-mark-easter-outdoors-after-church-closures/582858

Well, we all know the reason these churches are being closed, and it's not a "lack of proper building permits, it's the "community opposition". Too bad, no-one invited these Christians into their mosque for the easter prayers...