Christian florist v. homosexual couple in WA

What do you mean they never tried a case?

What happened then?

 

How so?

 

They can deem it unconstitutional.

 

Interestingly, her name is Baronelle, not Arlene, despite the name in the shop name.

 

You're joking aren't you? The baker won on the grounds that the Colorado Civil Rights Commision was unfair to him, in a disgracefully shameful and pathetic WEAK, narrow Supreme Court decision.

 

When did she say, "we don't serve your kind here?"

 

If all that remained on social media was far right groups, what do you suppose that would do to society?

 

Which doesn’t change a law. It voids it as unconstitutional from the onset.

 

The comment was meant as a relative comparison. China has a more fair and free market than the US - according to folks like Jim Rogers.

 

No Joke - artistic license was the central issue and on this basis he won.

 

I would assume that in order to make a case of "religious concerns", part of that case would be to prove that they are valid religious concerns. The courts would not need to "validate" them any more than they would need to "validate" that a person is actually gay. They would just need to render their decision based on their belief on whether the claim is reasonable or not. That is why we have appeal courts. What one Judge may find unreasonable, another might disagree.

 

Thats why I didn't use "quotes". Refusal to serve a customer due to their beliefs, while enjoying legal protection from having it done to you creates a "preferred citizen". I am not a fan of double standards.

 

If this was a straight "refusal to serve" issue, I would agree 100%. This was not the case here. She was quite willing to sell them flower arrangements. She just was not willing to being involved as part of their wedding and where that involvement took place outside of her shop. Should a devote Muslin be required to physically cater a pig roast? Should a Hindu be required to physically cater a beef bar-b-que? Could a gay florist refuse to deliver and set up flower arrangements at a Southern Baptist wedding? How about a devote Catholic doctor being order to perform an abortion? (I know...fairly lame examples...it was all I could come up with on short notice)

Point is, with so many cultures and beliefs on this planet, there WILL be conflicts between those beliefs. Religious Rights are real....it is in our Constitution.

 

Being a MAGAtt isn’t a protected class

 

And the state is correct.

 

I don't see it as using one's business to push religion.

A different scenario with the same sort of implications.

Take a Muslim guy who customizes cars, if someone comes in and wants pinstriping that mocks Muhammad should the Muslim customizer be forced to do it?

 

I disagree. SCOTUS already told the State to reconsider their ruling with consideration given to the Masterpiece Cakeshop Ruling (which they did not consider the ruling), so apparently they have some reservations as well. We will see what happens when this case DOES reach SCOTUS.

 

Yes you can, if a handicapped black Jew came into my bakery and asked me to make a giant cookie with a swastika on it I could refuse.

So yes it applies to everybody.

 

Incorrect.

 

Just to clarify something, car owners are not a protected class in Washington (or anywhere else), and so they can only claim discrimination if the merchant denies service because of the customer's class.(woman, gay, Asian, etc.)

 

Not yet...

 

Let's say the car owner is gay

 

Read the story. She didn't refuse to sell a product (flowers), she refused to make a special floral arrangement celebrating this person's marriage.

By and large, supreme court justices are eggheads who teach at Stanford or clerk at the court of appeals, then they become judges. Several have worked in the justice department as bureacrats and maybe sat second chair at a trial or two. Sotomayor appears to be an exception, having worked as an assistant D.A. fir several years, and presumably having tried a couple of cases.

 

I don't think that's analogous to the florist. She's not refusing to do business with them on the basis that they are gay, she's refusing to do business with him on the basis that the business they want her to do is arranged flowers for a same-sex wedding.