Christianity and Homosexuality

What does this have to do with homosexuality?

 

Again, you didn’t read it — the German word was a direct translation of the original Greek as was the Scandinavian translation.
You realize the Bible wasn’t originally written in English, yes?

Homosexual or any of the associated phrases (man laying with man, sexually immoral) did not exist in the bible until 1946.

Christians entire obsession with gay men is based on a lie that they are unwilling to abandon.

The Bible does have several intact verses about weaponizing the words of God, condemning others and leading people away from the teaching however. I hope the hate was worth their very soul.

 

So do you even know what the word was in Greek?

 

Further proving that you haven’t read the source. (Hint, it is the one beside the “German word” that you didn’t comprehend)

 

SERIOUSLY???

I just gave you a major passage of a conversation with Jesus and examples from the life of Jesus on Earth showing how Christians are to handle sinners on pain of HELL.

And, you just can't get it?

I KNOW that homosexuals are not sinners. But, EVEN IF some Christian somewhere thinks they are, there is still the fact that Jesus states a REQUIREMENT for how we treat each other.

And, Jesus clearly states that the penalty for failure IS hell.

 

Yes, no marriages will take place or have ever taken place in heaven. Marriage or eternal marriage is an earthly ordinance and must be done on earth. The scripture no marriages "given" in heaven. Doesn't mean that proper ordinances done on earth with those with the power and authority of Elijah cannot seal a man and woman together in an eternal marriage.

 

What I mean is, do you know the perfect English translation of the Greek? Why do you think that translating from Greek is so straightforward? There's a reason why later translations of the Bible have a different translation - because translation scholars know more. And your argument is that because it USED to be translated differently, this somehow means that it was translated correctly? Why? And it's not like it's only translated this way in English versions. Do you know how many languages of the Bible there are?

 

The Bible says that EVERYONE, homosexual or heterosexual, are sinners, unless they have salvation.

 

I just wanted it to be CRYSTAL clear that I do NOT share your position on homosexuality.

But, that is irrelevant to the Biblical argument that I've made above.

 

Well this might be interesting: what exactly do you think my position on homosexuality is? I mean, if you know so much about me.

 

Lame.

You want to attack me - LOL!!

I quoted the KJV. So, you tell me the KJV is just plain wrong.

And, you do so with ZERO evidence.

Let me help you with Matthew 25 translations. Then, you can attack all these translations, NONE OF WHICH I have contributed to creating:

NIV:

ESV:

USCCB:

So, what is YOUR translation of Matthew 25 that is accepted by Christianity as being superior to these mainstream translations that are so widely accepted within mainstream Christianity today?

 

That misses the point of Matthew 25 as well as the Biblical recording of the life of Jesus and his message concerning the treatment of others, regardless of sin.

That we are ALL sinners should help you understand that treatment of others has to accommodate that fact.

 

I don't believe I've ever seen you take a position on ANYTHING.

Your mode is more to start barking when you see something with which you disagree, leaving the nature of your disagreement totally unknown - presumably, because there is no possibility of you defending it in the open.

Just a few pages back you DID respond in this discussion with the idea that businesses should be allowed to fire anyone they want - which must be construed as including sexual orientation.

I'd point out that there are both governmental and Christian reasons for this to be an unacceptable position.

Within my posts above, I've pointed out the Christian position on expectations concerning how others must be treated.

 

Ah, so you saying that they changed the verbiage in the Bible because of some new understanding of how to translate the Greek word and what they had previously said was incorrect.

Care to source this?

Because philologists and linguists still cannot agree with the meanings of those words because they didn’t previously exist — and if I was the church, and valued actually representing the word of God — I wouldn’t print texts that condemn 5%+ of the population on a guess.

All of the versions of the Bible prior to the 1940’s and some current languages still reference pedistary.

 

Baloney. Love is when you stay with your wife even though you're not sexually attracted to her anymore and you're having a rocky relationship and trouble getting along together.

Plenty of sex is possible that involves no real love whatsoever.

 

Matthew 25 has nothing to do with homosexuality, so I have no idea why you are quoting it.

 

I see that you are unable to stand by this. I guess my questioning was sufficient!

 

It has to do with how Jesus directs that others are to be treated - regardless of their sins, regardless of their crimes, regardless of their poverty,, regardless of their health.

And, he states that the penalty for failure in this directive is eternal damnation.

 

I have yet to get to it. I have been away, and I much prefer using my desktop to destroy people.

 

Who is saying that homosexuals should be treated badly?

 

Is the fact that you are switching subjects an indication that you are now backing off on your claims concerning Matthew 25?

Before we go into applications of principles, there needs to be agreement on what the principles are.

Plus, you need to say what your position is on homosexuality.

I've made mine clear.

When you pop off about wanting to "destroy" people, it's a clear indication that you are doing no more than playing games.

Is this discussion concerning Christianity a GAME to you???

You are

 

Sorry if your own words upset you, should say something but I doubt it does.

As to you destroying anyone — ever — I have yet to see that happen.

I look forward to your well sourced fact based non-opinion based response (or your lack of one)

 

Why should anyone care what the Bible says any more than any other myth, fairy tales, or fables?

If you claim the Bible is the word of God present your proof. Something no one ever seems to do in these discussion. And circular logic is not proof.

Faith is a word meaning no proof or evidence.

The creation myth of the Bible is proven to be false by science.

The Exodus myth is proven to be false by Archaeology.

The Jesus myth is based on anonymous accounts written decades after the fact. Jesus in many ways seems to be based on Mithras.

I would be happy to provide detail on why these three myths are in fact myth if detail is requested.

If one looks to the Bible for morality then owning slaves is moral (including selling one's daughter as a sex slave), as is genocide.

 

In some cases, take David for example, frivolous sex is hardly condemned. The Bible supports the assertion of Mel Brooks (History of the World Part 1) that it is good to be the King. One assumes that God gave David the strength to "perform prodigious duty along certain lines " (quoting from the movies Dr. Strangelove).

I would say that if science, philosophy, or logic, disagrees with brainwashing then brainwashing will usually prevail.

 

It's interesting to me that Lot escaped the lethal assault of Sodom only to go live in a cave and have drunken sex with his daughters - which was prodigiously rewarded by God.

In my view, the lessons individuals take from these reports of ancient events has at least as much to do with what lessons we want to hear.