Christianity vs Trumpery

When they stop trying to legislate our behavior in accordance with their beliefs, when they stop trying to tell others how we should live, when they stop trying to control what women do with their own bodies, when they finally understand what it means to live in a secular society, then maybe I'll agree with your exception. But I'm not seeing that even among young evangelicals. They seem just as immovable as their elders.

 

As dodges go, that was kind of weak, Jay.

Seriously, why would you find anything on that website credible? There are plenty of conservative sites, surely you can find better.

 

I think you are missing the point. If you claim to be Christian then any support of trump other than holding your nose and voting reveals you to be a hypocrite. I could never respect this type of person.

 

And why have we been calling them hypocrites for hundreds of years? Perhaps because they are, eh?

This is a secular nation, deliberately designed to be so. One of the biggest differences between American secularists and American Christians is that secularists aren't constantly trying to legislate the behavior of others, while Christians seem to think they have a god-given right to do so.

 

I never tell who I vote for, but FYI Obama is a secularist. He never tried to insert his personal beliefs into his job or his rhetoric, and he didn't pander to evangelicals just to get their votes.

 

Vatican bad, very, very bad. In the next WW there's nor reason to spare it and let's hope the bombers take it out.

 

The OP specifies "white evangelicals." Keep yammering, not surprised.

 

Who should Evangelicals or “Christians” vote for? Or should they abstain from voting except for perfect candidates? Should progressives not vote for hypocrites when it comes to issues like climate change or income inequality? The whole premise here is bizarre.

 

I stand by what I said.

 

I didn't miss the point at all, you did. The point of the OP and others like it is a) more anti white racism hidden beneath "evangelicals," and b) claiming that a tiny magazine that has gone far afield of its founder's politics "speaks for" the many millions of Christians in the country.

I'm -not- a Christian, but respect Christians, and claiming that Trump is worse than any of the alternatives as far as "Christianity" goes to the point of needing to hold one's nose is absurd.

One political contingent has been directly, persistently tearing down and spitting on Christian values for HALF A CENTURY. The other side has not. It's amusing and annoying in equal measure to see people who are atheistic, relativist, family denying, abortion supporting, resentment narrative spewing transparent propagandists trying to put on a mantle of puritanism when they think they can pass it off as sincere.

It isn't remotely sincere, and fools no one.

 

You're creating a straw dog about holding kids. I did NOT say that we cant hold kids.

If we're going to take children from their parents we are taking on the full responsibility of being their custodians.

That includes knowing where they are, knowing where their parents are, having a plan for how they will be reunited with their families, providing health care when needed, keeping them warm, clean and fed at the very least.

We are not doing that.

Miller, a notable white supremacist is one of the key policy players in this administration's criminal behavior toward these children.

 

I don't believe you have a legitimate claim here.

 

I absolutely do NOT accept that claim.

 

Once again what are we supposed to do? They broke the law , we don't lock up kids with there parents

 

Why would they lose my kids when they were with my wife?

 

Then ya can't really compare their situation to you in jail.

 

Isn't a big part of Christianity free will? So if I'm a Christian and don't like Trump I should do what free will allows but I shouldn't interfere with others free will to make their own minds up.

 

Of course you can I broke the law and went to jail, That's what happens when you break the law

 

Lol Obama was against gay marriage.

See Obama's 20-Year Evolution on LGBT Rights

President Barack Obama signs the Don't Ask, Don't Tell Repeal Act of 2010 into law at the Department of the Interior in Washington on Dec. 22, 2010.

Jewel Samad—AFP/Getty Images
BY KATY STEINMETZ
APRIL 10, 2015
WRITE TO KATY STEINMETZ AT KATY.STEINMETZ@TIME.COM.

one campaign questionnaire that Obama filled out when running for the Illinois state Senate, he states that he supports domestic partnerships and adding sexual orientation to the Human Rights Act, the state’s civil rights law. He also says that he supports affirmative action for gays and lesbians.

In another questionnaire for Chicago LGBT newspaper Outlines, Obama says he supports same-sex marriage. In 2009, a copy of his typed responses was unearthed and printed in the Windy City Times. “I favor legalizing same-sex marriages, and would fight efforts to prohibit such marriages,” reads the questionnaire bearing his signature at the bottom. Later, Obama aides will dispute that he actually filled out the questionnaire himself.another questionnaire for Outlines, which the Windy City Times published in 2009. This time he says he is “undecided” whether he supports legalizing same-sex marriage or repealing an Illinois law prohibiting it.

an interview on Chicago public television during his U.S. Senate campaign, adding, “but what I also believe is that we have an obligation to make sure that gays and lesbians have the rights of citizenship that afford them visitations to hospitals, that allow them to transfer property to each other, to make sure they’re not discriminated against on the job.”

 

asked and answered

 

This is well known and totally off topic.

 

You never admitted it outloud you want open borders

 

I am disputing a poster who suggested Obama wasn't a Christian and flipped flopped on gay marriage when he was a state senator a Illinois senator and then president.

 

Nobody in the USA wants open borders.

Get real. Start responding to what people say, after learning the topic at least a little bit.

 

Everybody knows that Obama changed his opinion on same sex marriage over a period of time.

LOTS of people have done that as polling clearly points out.

And, I find the attacks on Obama over religion to be disgusting. People want to claim he's a Muslim so they can tap into the hate against Muslims. What cheap crap.