Climate Change 2022: Mitigation of Climate Change

Bingo.

I don't want an electric vehicle because I don't want to pay a bunch of money to have a charger installed at home to charge it, I don't want to deal with commercially charging it, I don't want to wait for hours for the damn thing to charge, and I live in a colder climate and batteries don't like cold weather very well.

That's just a few of many reasons why an electric vehicle does not suit my needs. They work well for an in-city commuter vehicle (for someone who doesn't go far from the city very often). They don't work well for my needs though.

 

Yes, I know that people are fearful of running out of fuel.

In the case of Tesla, if you run out of fuel you have to call Tesla, who will take care of you and your car for free.

Beyond that, Teslas and other EVs know where the charging locations are, what the distance remaining for the car is, etc., and automatically directs the driver to the nearest location based on the driver's preference for charging speed.

 

I won't buy one because I want a vehicle I can do my own repairs on. Electric cars cannot be scanned so any issue it has you'll have to take it to the dealership and pay thousands of dollars.

 

And, I have no problem with that at all.

However, that argument does not apply to the general public, who do not do the maintenance work on their vehicles.

 

you like paying way too much for the lowest quality work? Or do you not understand that that's what you're doing when you go to the dealership?

Yeah it does. They might not be able to repair their cars themselves, but they could take their car to the far more competent independent mechanics.

See when you go to the dealership and pay thousands of dollars you're paying for the bottom of the barrel of mechanics. They don't pay them well there and essentially they're just part swappers. That's why you get raked over the calls you're getting ripped off. + 900% markup on parts

 

First of all, this is free market economics. If a car company gets a rep for high cost or incompetent maintenance, fewer of their cars will be sold. That is not consistent with maximizing net profit for investors, and it will change.

Second of all, there isn't any real reason for EVs not to be able to have maintenance done on them by third parties. In the case of Tesla, electronics upgrades are made automatically - thus zero shop time. But, there are still brakes, tires, etc.

 

right I'm saying I won't get ripped off you may have that's your thing.

I'm not so sure about that you just told me you like paying way too much money for a way below standard service. I think that's general among most electric car buyers

What isn't? Using cash cows that will pay way too much for a low standard that's really how you maximize net profit.

I love it when people who don't know what they're talking about tell me this sort of thing.

Yes there is car manufacturers have been building into car components what I call traps. If you get an aftermarket part or junkyard part and put it on your car it won't function because you have to have the dealership program it.

Doing zero maintenance means you will be doing repairs so that doesn't mean zero time in the shop it means more. Also Tesla has really poor build quality so it's only a matter of time before these things start falling apart.

 

Let's try to keep this discussion on the up an up, OK? You know I have not said anything remotely like that, and the idea that the EV market is founded on stupid decisions is an unsupportable bit of ridiculousness.

Please remember that economics applies.

I have a friend who bought a Tesla a few years ago. He complained about the effectiveness of the defroster.

The dealership told him that the defroster system had been updated, and so they would replace his entire dashboard as it was necessary to add the new defroster system.

They charged him ZERO dollars!

This may have been part of their early adopter push, but the point here is that Tesla wants to OWN the EV marketplace. They are NOT in business to profit on maintenance.

And, yes, Tesla DOES get dinged for build quality, so customers have to take that into account.

 

you can't really you don't have knowledge I do.

so have fun getting ripped off I won't and I will encourage anyone in the market for a car trying to decide not to.

this is a good advice I think you that you just can't take you're the only one that seems to need to remember that.

so that's time in the shop in quite a bit to replace a dashboard. So you were being dishonest when you said less time in the shop.

B.S. did he pay money for the car or was it given to him? The cost of that is built into the car you pay for it whether you need it or not.

They don't do things for free.

Also there is a hell of a bought a Tesla that's headed for 2 years and has never driven at once because they refuse to repair it for him.

When you buy that car you risk of being that fellow.

if you're buying electric car now you're an early adopter. Tesla will probably be bought out by Ford GM or Volkswagen because that's typically what happens. Tesla isn't really a car company it's a tech company and they are having difficulty producing cars.

Yeah I've been in the automotive business for quite some time low build quality plus zero opportunity to do maintenance equals destined for an early car crusher.

 

All of which reflects the fact that EV's are a technological step backward.

 

What nonsense.

 

Higher cost & less performance.

 

New technology most frequently costs more. As with computers, wide screen TVs, etc., one has to wait until initial investments are paid, lower cost models are provided, etc.

EVs have greater acceleration, use fewer $$ of fuel, and have less maintenance, since they have far fewer moving parts.

 

Not to mention limited range, down time for charging, and degraded performance when using heater or air conditioner.

 

The earth is giving us frequent warnings that we had better to do something:

Dramatic footage shows enormous bridge crumbling amid raging floodwaters

The astonishing scene looked like flooding caused by relentless rainfall, but officials said this weather disaster could be blamed not on rain -- but on excessive heat.

Pakistan and neighboring India have been sweltering amid an intense heat wave that has led to weeks of dangerous air quality and rampaging wildfires. Now, the early-season heat is to blame for causing the rapid melt of the Shishper Glacier in northern Pakistan, which led to destructive flooding downstream.

The Hassanabad Bridge in Pakistan's Hunza Valley was completely destroyed on Saturday as the melting glacier sent torrents of water coursing through area streams in a phenomenon known as a glacial lake outburst flood.

... https://www.accuweather.com/en/seve...apses-amid-raging-glacial-floodwaters/1184658​

 

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Renewable energy is a sometime thing.
WSJ: Power Grid Operators Warn Renewable Energy Could Cause Blackouts
Eric Worrall
“… The challenge is that wind and solar farms—which are among the cheapest forms of power generation—don’t produce electricity at all times …”

 

If you don't want cheaper fuel for your car, I would say you are an anomaly. Features of EVs are attractive whether you are a climate denier or not.

EVs are rapidly improving in distance and charge time.

Let's remember that the industry is still incredibly young, and that major auto manufacturers are only beginning to enter the market, though they ALL accept that EVs are the future and are committed to that reality.

 

We have blackouts NOW!!

So, what the heck is the point here???

Should we stop using natural gas plants for electricity because - blackouts???

Obviously, that would be stupid.

There is NO reason to believe that we're about to be so dependent on wind that blackouts are the result.

Let's try to think. The way out of blackouts is more generation power, more varied fuel types for generating electricity, and improved electric grids and infrastructure.

 

You're essentially listing one aspect multiple times.

 

Yes. We have blackouts because of stupid policies.

 

They all derive from the fundamental weakness.

 

All part of the plan?
The INTENDED Consequences of Climate Policy: ‘Electricity Shortage Warnings Grow Across U.S.’
Guest Blogger
From Climate Depot By Admin, May 9, 2022 4:27 PM https://archive.ph/2022.05.08-12114...-across-u-s-11652002380#selection-103.0-120.0 By Katherine Blunt From California to Texas to Indiana, electric-grid operators are warning that power-generating capacity is struggling to keep up…

 

Indifference is a superpower.
Americans Still Rank ‘Climate Change’ Dead Last Among Environmental Concerns, Reports Gallup
Anthony Watts
Despite billions spent annually on outreach, education, and outright propaganda, a new Gallup poll shows Americans still don’t think climate change is the most significant environmental concern facing the world. . . .

 

Yeah - because America so far seems to have been spared the worst of the effects - but the rest of the globe is moving forward and innovating like crazy to leave America behind