Climate Change 2022: Mitigation of Climate Change

This doesn't even START to explain your disapproval of Musk.

I don't know of any contributor to our way of life, to science, to technology, to business who has been successful in every endeavor and met every projected delivery date.

Accusing him of that is just plain BS.

Musk didn't invent carbon offsets.

 

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Hey Jack! Did you see the Australian election result? Labor (Democrats) won with a record number of “Green” and “Teal” independents running on the need to do something about climate change

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-04...who-are-candidates-what-electorates/101000412

 

Yup. Good luck.

 

As I said, you simply can not comprehend that many do not agree with you.

However, how many fail to make any delivery date, cancel projects when they are proposed as being real (and uses fakes in the presentation), then takes actual deposits on them!

Here, let me give you a classic example. Way back in 2015 when they literally announced the Tesla Solar Roof in front of fake homes that they claimed were powered with them, you could give them a $1,000 cash deposit for delivery by 2016. Yep, cash up front, and your roof would be delivered in a year at a guaranteed price.

Well, by 2020 they were still running over 5 years behind schedule. And the roofs that were being delivered were at 150-200% over the estimate. And people were getting pissed, so when word got out that many were considering a class action lawsuit, the company reacted. By offering to refund the deposit.

Most industry insiders believe that the number of deposits was in the tens of thousands, so Tesla got the interest free use of all of that money. You can now ask for your refund to be returned if you do not want to wait another 4-5 years for your roof, or pay the 150-200% price increase.

Now tell me, does that not sound like a clear scam?

I should not even have to talk about the Vegas Hyperloop. Over $52 million, for slow driving Tesla cars in a tunnel.

Tesla Semi? Oh, if you think the Tesla Solar Roof is unique, guess again. In 2017 they announced the Tesla Semi. Deliveries to start in 2019, if you are one of those that sends them a $20,000 deposit for each truck you want to buy. Hell, they even got a licensing agreement from Matchbox to build a toy version of the truck. And just in deposits, from Elron's claims they have raked in over $40 million.

Well, it is now well into 2022, where is the Tesla Semi? Well, every year since 2019 they have promised delivery "next year". Want to bet the delivery is never?

I never said he did. But that is how he is keeping his failing car company afloat.

You know, this is not all that unfamiliar to some of us. Decades ago, a guy that started his own car company was loosing his ass and the car company was on the verge of bankruptcy. But he got hold of something to sell to try and keep it going.

The only problem was that John DeLorean tried to sell 60 pounds of coke, and got busted. Elron just sells fake pieces of paper that some think are worth something. But the point is, Tesla is still in the negative after almost 20 years, and he is bailing out of California and doing all he can to keep the truth from being known. Because like so many scam artists of the past (cough Elizabeth Holmes cough), he is only rich based on stock price. And most experts in this field they company is grossly overvalued.

https://www.barrons.com/articles/tesla-stock-overvalued-1-trillion-51636053056

In other words, his $1.2 trillion dollar company to most experts is really worth in the range of $200 billion. And the stock selling at $760 a share is really only worth around $150.

Care to give us a reference to what things he has really promised and delivered? Because I notice that you have still not produced a single reference. You know, as if in reality there is almost nothing to back up your claims, and you simply do not want to admit that.

 

Here, in case some still do not get it. I know many do not like reading references, so here are some pretty videos to watch.

 

Oh, and here is yet another to show he is simply running a Ponzi scheme.



Oh yes, the Tesla Robo Taxi. Announced in 2019, delivery by 2020. Cost to owners, around $30,000. Which interestingly is significantly cheaper than the cost of the lowest price Tesla car, close to half the cost in fact.

Well, it is now 2022, where is the Robo Taxi?

More and more people are now looking at him hard, as almost everything he has ever promised is either nothing like he said it would be, is way behind schedule (as in half a decade or more), or other experts are simply saying it will never be possible at all.

Of course, I remember being attacked a few years ago when I made the same statements about Elizabeth Holmes. One even accused me of being frightened by "strong independent women".

Well, that "strong independent woman" has been found guilty of multiple counts of fraud and wire fraud, and is facing up to 20 years in jail (sentencing in September).

Look, I get it. You live in a fantasy world where Elron is a god, everything he says is absolutely true, and unicorns poop rainbow ice cream.

 

Oh, and there is yet another I forgot. The "Boring Brick".

Announced in 2017, that they would use the dirt excavated from their tunnel projects to make the most advanced bricks in the world, and sell them for only 10 cents per brick.

And to give an idea, standard "red bricks" sell for around 25 cents a piece. And that they would give them away for use in making low cost housing.

Deliveries to start in 2018.

Well, it is now 2022. Where are the "Boring Bricks"?

Yet another vaporware product.

But that does not stop some from still screaming about how awesome they are. Even in 2020.

https://insideevs.com/news/447575/video-tesla-elon-musk-boring-brick-cost-durability/

Hmmm, delivery promised in 2018, a fanboi had to spend $400 for 2 of them so he could give them a completely unscientific test in 2020, 2022 and still no Boring Bricks.

Am I the only one seeing a pattern here?

 

You haven't identified anything that is unusual or illegal in business.

And, if you did he would be charged.

Look, I know there are lots of people who hate Musk specifically while giving a pass to other businesses that do the same thing. You keep harping on that, and I keep pointing out that you are accusing him of stuff that many large businesses do, and even have valid reasons for doing.

My concern about Musk is political. He strongly opposes updating the infrastructure that the USA depends upon, claiming that free enterprise will solve these problems. But, that is obvious crap as is proven over and over again.

 

Liars gonna lie.
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Which again proves your problem.

You care about what a person thinks, and not what they actually do.

Me, I care about what a person does, and not what they think.

 

I like passive systems with simple economic solutions. An example would be this .... I overlaid my shingle roof with a silver galvalume roof. I used reclaimed 1x4s as f urring strips and put the new roof right over the old. It is summertime now and we use no air conditioning but we do use fans. It is comfortable during the day and chilly at night. The silver roof reflects a lot of sunlight....forget how much....but the difference in what color roof makes a big difference. I collect rainwater from the roof for my fish ponds and garden. Not hauling away shingles saved me money. Using reclaimed 1x4s saved me money. The roofing was bought from a local supplier. Saved me money. Did it all myself....all by myself....saved me money. The sheets were cut to order....no waste.....no landfill usage.....no big freight charges....

 

My front deck....quite by accident ......catches the sun in the winter and shade in the fall. This helps to catch the rays and heat the house. The deck is build of reclaimed lumber and has a galvalume roof.

 

The only problem with this is that you can really only get away with it outside of city limits, and even some counties prohibit this kind of thing.

I see nothing wrong with it myself, but most cities have strict codes to prevent this kind of thing.

 

What??? Collecting water or doing my own roof or buiding my own deck? Ps....me and dad built the house.

 

So, you don't care about politics??

Plus, it's pretty hard to find an individual who is doing more than Musk is doing as an individual.

 

My roof is classic southwestern clay tiles. That's the character of the building, but it's sure a pain due to the problems of roof maintenance and it makes solar or anything else on the roof difficult.

https://www.energy.gov/energysaver/cool-roofs

 

Pray tell what are his politics? Recently he said he has voted democrat in the past but will vote republican in the future. Doesn't seem like a partisan to me.

 

We put a shingle roof on the house when we built it. We were paying as we went so money was tight. With the Alabama sun it was just a few years and we needed a new roof. I am older now and the thought....just the thought.... of toting shingles up on the roof after busting my butt taking off the old roof and hauling it away made my back hurt. So I left the shingles and roofed right over it. And roofing panels weigh a lot less than shingle bundles.

 

For one thing, he has opposed infrastructure investment, as have Republicans. His view has been that private enterprise should be able to do the job. (Of course private enterprise has NOT done the job, and I suspect for good reason.)

Also, he got upset that Biden met with US automakers who are struggling to come out with electric vehicles, battery sourcing, etc., and didn't invite him, the obvious leader in electric vehicles and batteries both here and the world. So, now he may be facing competition that's benefiting from whatever the government plus his competitors cooked up.

Also, NASA and US Defense has disbelieved his capabilities in space and thus they have backed fabulously expensive dead end projects such as SLS in spite of the industry changing progress of SpaceX as they do what they said they would do - irritating both business wise and personally.

 

Did there need to be venting between the new and old roofing?

Your solution sounds good to me!

 

I used a 1x4 under the steel as furring strips.. And I just cut vents with my skilsaw. I took lessons on you tube. It doesn't leak.

 

Actually, yes to all three of those.

Most cities require prohibit the first, and require plans and permits for the second. Submit plans saying you are leaving the roof in place and installing a second roof over that, and I can guarantee most will reject them.

That however is less of an issue in more rural areas away from city governments.

Does not matter, most cities prohibit things like that. As well as putting mobile homes in residential lots, converting your garage to living space, or damned near anything else.

That is why as soon as a city announces they are going to annex a new area, many will quickly try to rush as much of that as they can, so it is grandfathered.

 

Not really. It is really nothing but BS personal opinion, and should have no influence in science, military, or most other things.

In fact, I am often called "militantly moderate".

So was Bernie Madoff (over $17 billion), Elizabeth Holmes (over $4.6 billion), Barry Minkow (worth over $50 million in 1987 at age 21), Michael Milken (over $3.7 billion), and I can just go on and on and on.

You are making a huge mistake, equating money with success. It was not all that long ago that Elizabeth Holmes was the darling of Wall Street, the Democrats, and a great many others for all she had built by the age of 22. A lot like Barry Minkow a few decades earlier. And just like what I see in Elron, I see lots of promises and almost nothing ever delivered. But Elron is doing another typical con artist tactic. When people start to ask questions, he announces something new, and manages to get more people to give him even more money. Which is then used to keep the other failed projects alive.

And in the end, one of the wisest people in the country said it best.

 

I have been building my whole life. Permits ain't hard if you know what you are doing. Steel roof over shingles is up to code. My roof is up to code. My deck is up to code. Some areas do have zoning regulations that can be a pain. I put a bedroom on my place in Indiana and had to go before the planning Commission the zoning Commission and other assorted roadblocks. It had to be 25ft from the property line, 25ft from the shore and other regulations had to be followed. I got the building permit and called the inspector for the framing inspection. He told us we knew what we were doing and finish the job. But it was a royal pain.