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Cohen Back In. Stone Released

Discussion in 'Political Opinions & Beliefs' started by Lesh, Jul 11, 2020.

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  1. Booman

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    When you wish upon a star
    Makes no difference who you are
    Anything your heart desires
    Will come to you
    If your heart is in your dream
    No request is too extreme...
     
    Booman, Jul 13, 2020
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  2. Lee Atwater

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    Have they? https://www.cnn.com/2019/09/11/poli...strict-attorney-trump-organization/index.html

    Supreme Court Rules Trump Cannot Block Release of Financial Records
    https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/09/us/trump-taxes-supreme-court.html

    Manhattan DA subpoenas Trump Organization and AMI in Stormy Daniels hush money investigation
    https://www.cnn.com/2019/08/01/politics/manhattan-da-trump-organization-stormy-daniels/index.html
     
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  3. Lee Atwater

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    You do know the DOJ was aware of conversations Stone had.....................wait.............just read this so I don't have to always fill in the gaps of what you either don't know or pretend not to know.

    https://int.nyt.com/data/documenthe...d5f15a1e37896bd07bb/optimized/full.pdf#page=1
     
    Lee Atwater, Jul 13, 2020
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  4. Lesh

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    That is completely untrue
     
    Lesh, Jul 13, 2020
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  5. Lee Atwater

    Lee Atwater Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    BTW, how is it that you have come to believe Stone was persecuted when even Billy the Bagman said Stone's prosecution was justified? Cuz you know if there was any way around Billy not admitting that he would have. But the facts of Stone's crimes are beyond dispute..............for those of us living in the real world.
     
    Lee Atwater, Jul 13, 2020
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    Don't try to convince me of something untoward or illegal by citing some guy of what he heard, what he thought, what he assumed, etc. When you have a what he knows (that means first hand direct experienced knowledge) let me know.
     
    RodB, Jul 13, 2020
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    RodB said: ↑
    NEWS FLASH! He couldn't have and didn't. Mueller got nothing against Trump from his persecution of Stone. Do try to keep up.
    What did he have? Where is it? What did he do with it? Enquiring minds want to know.
     
    RodB, Jul 13, 2020
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    Sure, I understand Stone was convicted of real crimes (ticky tac crimes are real in the eyes of the law) and very likely was guilty of those crimes. But when you uncover and prosecute crimes from a torture-like threatening interrogation that started with two dozen agents in SWAT dress busting down Stone's door in the early morning (with the nice people from CNN invited to attend), that is a persecution. Don't confuse the process with the final outcome.
     
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    I must be a great comfort for you to be able to choose what you want to believe based on what fits your predisposed ideas.

    "At the time of the events in question – February 2020, I was a career Assistant United States Attorney. I was not privy to discussions with political leadership at the Department of Justice. My understanding of what happened in United States v. Stone is based on two things. The first is what I saw with my own eyes: the unusual and unprecedented way that Roger Stone’s sentencing was handled by the Department of Justice. The second is what was told to me at the time by my supervisors in the U.S. Attorney’s Office: why the Department was treating Roger Stone differently from everyone else."

    Given that Stone was in fact treated differently (we know this by virtue of the sentence reduction request made by the DOJ once Barr got involved. A request resulting in a number of career prosecutors resigning from the case in protest) why don't you believe Zelinsky's sworn testimony? I'll tell you why. Because it makes your predisposed notions (Trump can do no wrong) untrue.
     
    Lee Atwater, Jul 13, 2020
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    WTF? Your evidence please.
     
    Lee Atwater, Jul 13, 2020
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    In fact, Stone was going to jail for about 4 years for multiple counts of lying to Congress, lying to Mueller, and for witness tampering.

    He obstructed a federal investigation in to the actions of the President for goodness sake. Ticky tac my ass.
     
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    Nowhere does Zelinsky say he had direct first hand knowledge of Trump's direct involvement in the Stone case, which, unless you quickly changed it midstream, was what the claim was.
     
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    What reason do you have to believe Zelinsky's supervisors were lying to him?
     
    Lee Atwater, Jul 13, 2020
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    I suppose you can play this game of denial forever. It has been widely reported that multiple WH officials opposed Trump commuting Stone's sentence. But in your world you won't believe it unless you hear Trump say it. Or maybe you will. It depends on what you want to believe.
     
    Lee Atwater, Jul 13, 2020
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    struth, Jul 13, 2020
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    cool story what’s your point that some didn’t support his decision? is everyone suppose to agree with the president all the time in the WH? maybe obama had a bunch of yes men...which explains a lot of the horrible policies...but trump doesn’t
     
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    we haven’t heard from his supervisors.

    Zelinsky was part of the mueller team that lied to the Court about turning over evidence in the flynn case he can’t be trusted to tell the true.

    Let hear from these supervisors
     
    struth, Jul 13, 2020
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    What?

    Bullshit.

    Post links
     
    Lesh, Jul 13, 2020
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    what didn’t you understand?
     
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    Why you didn't post links to your bullshit..
     
    Lesh, Jul 13, 2020
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    thought it was common. knowledge
     
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    The Roger Stone Commutation Is Even More Corrupt Than It Seems

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    The Roger Stone Commutation Is Even More Corrupt Than It Seems
    The president’s clemency for his confidante is totally unsurprising—which is part of what makes it so bad.
    [​IMG] www.lawfareblog.com

    "But the predictable nature of Trump’s action should not obscure its rank corruption. In fact, the predictability makes the commutation all the more corrupt, the capstone of an all-but-open attempt on the president’s part to obstruct justice in a self-protective fashion over a protracted period of time. That may sound like hyperbole, but it’s actually not. Trump publicly encouraged Stone not to cooperate with Robert Mueller’s investigation, he publicly dangled clemency as a reward for silence, and he has now delivered. The act is predictable precisely because the corrupt action is so naked."
     
    Lee Atwater, Jul 14, 2020
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