Colorado Joins 11 States Agreeing to Shift to Popular Vote System

Right. So there is actually no national popular vote for the president. There are only states appointing electors. And a state may appoint its electors in any manner it chooses. It could hold an election. It could choose random names from the jury list. It could choose random names from the phone book. How one state appoints its electors is none of the business of any other state.

The takeaway from this is that there is no popular vote for president.

 

There is, it's the tallied popular vote from every state. Whether or not you agree that this is a "national popular vote" is semantic, since nobody is claiming it to be a legally binding number.

 

But those are votes for electors, not for the president.

Remember, some states appoint their electors using a statewide popular vote. These are not votes for the president, they are votes for electors. This is the mechanism that these states use to appoint their electors.

 

Which Elector did you vote for last election?

Since the early 19th Century, the States have almost entirely chosen Electors who intend to vote for whoever wins the popular vote in the state election.

 

Why did they help Trump then? And why does Trump suck up to him? I think it's exceptionally likely that Putin has compromised Trump and Trump is a Russian asset therefore.

 

Mickey Mouse

So not actually electors. How unconstitutional.

 

He came into possession of a document that stated the new Pres-elec was in league with the Russians. He had no way of knowing the accuracy of the document. Of course he gave it to the FBI! What would you have had him do under those circumstances? McCain had integrity and honored country over party. Btw, he did not "pass the dossier around", he gave it to the FBI. (You wouldn't want to be responsible for any "rumors", would you)

 

Because they probably thought, like most, that Trump was going to get smashed, and wanted the vote to be closer.

Because Trump genuinely respects him.

You didn't vote for an Elector, homeboy.

The States can choose Electors however they like. The implication is that if the States choose Electors who intend to vote for a particular candidate (which is what they do), this would be Constitutional.

Otherwise, it sure is interesting that not a single Founding Father or judge ever complained about the "unconstitutionality" of it.

 

That's what I wrote on my ballot: Elector named Mickey Mouse.

And, per the constitution, an electors job, once appointed by the state, is to elect (i.e. to choose) the president.

 

Trump can't be compared for time in service since he like Obama and Clinton did not ever serve.

McCain suffered at Obama's hands and the Ds who kept telling me how great he is, refused to vote for him. They badgered me to vote for him but Bush beat him.

Kerry served in Vietnam. Then he gets home and runs to congress to make the troops look lousy. We also had another Kerrey, Bob Kerrey who took his seals into combat and they killed all the people living in the small village. I do not recall the other Democrat Kerry calling him an animal though.

 

That's great. It wasn't tallied as a vote for an Elector, but as a vote for President. Your vote, in conjunction with your fellow citizens, was then used to decide which Electors should be chosen.

Wonderful. Are we done, then?

 

To use a word favored by the left; the Electoral Collage protects regionally sparse areas from being "marginalized" by hyper-dense population zones such that a greater amount of the nation as a whole can be represented by government in general. The Electoral Collage must not be allowed to be dismantled.

 

States don't have votes for president. They only have votes for electors. My vote could only be a vote for an elector. There is no other option.

If you wish.

 

Gosh, so wonderful to read so many democrats fell in love with John McCain the same man they defeated in his election vs Obama. The tears impress me.

The entire story of the dossier was who in their right mind handed it to a Republican? Wait, they knew the republican hated Trump. And why a fake document? He did not care.

 

Without the constitutional system of state electors choosing the president, there would be no united States of america. It was a precondition to the treaty.

 

If you voted for a President, you voted for a President, not an Elector. Been that way since almost the beginning.

Accept it or don't, that's the fact.

 

The people who were against the Constitution suggested a popular vote.

Nobody was won over. The Electoral College was not a significant compromise, and was not a big deal during the ratification debates.

 

It's literally impossible for me to vote for the president. Only state appointed electors can vote for the president.

 

There would be no united States unless the diplomats from the several states had agreed upon the current system of electing the president.

 

I think McCains loss to Obama was a result of the country’s disgust of Cheney/Bush and the Republicans in general after 8 years of idiotic wars and a crashed economy. Also, Obama was an exceptional campaigner. Still McCain was classy and gave it a pretty good run. Too bad McCain didn’t beat Bush in the 2000 GOP primaries. I doubt he would have put together a team of nit witsto head his national security team who would let us get pummeled here at home and then start two idiotic wars in the wake. I would have supported John over Gore.

 

What state are you from?

Got any proof for this claim?

 

Pennsylvania. However, the state in which I live has no impact on the constitution. Only state appointed electors choose the president. I could never, unless I were to be a state appointed elector, vote for the president.

The minutes of the constitutional convention. This was when the several sovereign states came together to form their confederation.

 

In Pennsylvania, like most states, your vote for a Presidential candidate is attached to a slate of potential electors. Thereby, in voting for a certain Presidential candidate, you're really voting for a slate of Electors who have pledged to vote for that particular candidate.

You can't just obfuscate this fact away. Americans aren't all idiots for claiming to "vote for a Presidential candidate," because, in practice, we are voting for a Presidential candidate.

You sound like a Civics 101 student.

Openly accept these facts or don't, but both you and I know they're true. So do the vast majority of Americans.

Oh, right, "the minutes."

You can't prove that the Electoral College was a compromise that brought necessary support in, because it wasn't. Quite the opposite, the elitist nature of the institution imperiled, though not very seriously, ratification.

You're making unsubstantiated historical claims. I actually know the history.

 

Seriously?? You know the history. Ugh, I'm sunk.

It's literally impossible for me to vote for the president. Only electors appointed by the several states can vote for the president.

 

The Democrats and media beat the hell out of Bush. This is why they are doing it to Trump. Trump is doing fine, but the media and Democrats understand how to beat him up trying to do to him what they did to Bush.

Blaming Bush for the economy was totally wrong. It did not stop the D and media from doing it though. What Trump decided to do was hit first and hit hard. Trump trashed the republicans and perfected how to do it. He then trashed Hillary. The next Democrat he faces will feel the same heat. Trump is a big boy yet i feel sorry he is trashed like bush was. Bush fought the same war Clinton had only he invaded and Clinton did not. Clinton was never a military guy. Bush was and was an officer when he was in . Ahd his dad had also been an officer. Saying the wars were idiotic shows me a lack of understanding. We started fighting Saddam in the Gulf War. Bush father should have ran all over Saddam and drove him out and freed the people. We won quickly. (Bush 43) It turned later on to be the mess with Iraqi fighting fellow Iraqi and our men having to play cops.
I have two excellent books for the Bush war haters to study. They will get the real story vs what they think the media taught them. American Soldier and also A General Speaks out. I will include photos of both books.

Gore had problems too with the military. He had a cushy job taking photographs. I knew one of those guys when I was serving in the Army. You might not meet one unless one has a duty that allows him access to the high battalion HQ as I had.

McCain got on my bad side by smearing Bush 43 prior to 2001. Bush never deserved the smear job. People now pretend McCain was all innocent.