Comey vs. Trump, it is not going to be pretty

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  1. Lesh

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    He didn't need to Obama never tried to get him to close an investigation
     
  2. Sandy Shanks

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    Coats is the Director of National Intelligence. He is the top dog of all our intelligence agencies.

    Today, he refused to answer Senators' questions, Republican and Democrat, on whether or not Trump asked him to hide evidence of the Russian connection. He said the conversations between himself and the President are private.

    Basically, he dodged the question because the nation's business, if it does not involve classified matters, is not private. It is the people's business to know what our leaders are saying and doing.

    If Trump wanted privacy, he shouldn't have become President.
     
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    And they had no legal reason or basis to make that call
     
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    LOL, nothing like liberal hypocrisy!
     
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    No, it wasn't but that is hardly the point.

    We know this. Trump asked Comey to drop the Flynn investigation. "I hope you can see your way clear to letting this go, to letting Flynn go." He is a good guy. I hope you can let this go."

    Comey did not drop the Flynn investigation.

    Trump fired Comey.

    Is any of this a crime? That is above my pay grade.

    Is this a political disaster for Trump? Oh, yes. There is an old adage in politics.

    It used to be, everyone was entitled to their own opinion, but not their own facts. But that's not the case anymore. Facts matter not at all. Perception is everything.

    There will be a wide-spread perception that Trump did something very wrong. That will affect his Presidency from here on out, and that is regardless of what comes out of the Mueller, Senate, and House investigations.

    And what all else comes out of the Comey testimony tomorrow. For example, it looks as if Trump asked Comey for his loyalty. Trump's cabinet and staff need to be loyal to the President. Comey needs to be loyal to the country and the American people, not the President.
     
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    Funny how the left thought Comey was crap until he got fired. Pure TDS.
     
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    You have a pretty low opinion of the professionalism of your intelligence agencies. Your reasoning is not valid. The conversation would entail privileged information unsuited for public consumption at this time.
     
  8. Sandy Shanks

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    You couldn't challenge the truth of my statements.

    I don't hate Trump. I think he is totally incompetent. I knew he was going to be a bad President. I didn't know how bad. He is not learning from his mistakes or his advisors. He is getting worse, not better.

    Take for example his nomination for the new FBI director announced today, Christopher Wray. Do you know how it was announced? His staff, his spokesman, members of his cabinet, leaders of Congress including Ryan and McConnell all found out about it from news sources that follow Trump's tweets, because that is how Trump announced it, a tweet. How stupid is that?
     
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    Kode was speaking of today, Wednesday. Coats testified today.
     
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    You seem to have missed a few quotes from your ranting. I will paraphrase as J don't have the exact quotes handy, but didn't Comey say he didn't feel pressured?

    I can't remember of this was Comey or a commentator but wasn't it said that Comey interpreted the request to lay off Flynn, not to interfere with the collusion Investigation?

    Didn't Rodgers and Cates say unequivocally that they weren't asked or pressured to do anything unethical or illegal?

    What you did is common of those with a bias. You posted all facts, just omitted some and arranged it in a way to support your view of the truth, not the whole truth.
     
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    I guess we need to keep you current. A couple weeks ago The Washington Post reported that Trump separately asked Dan Coats, the director of national intelligence, and Mike Rogers, the director of the National Security Agency, to publicly deny that there was any evidence of collusion between his presidential campaign and the Kremlin.

    That is why the testimonies of Coats and Rogers is relevant. Both have refused to deny the charge made against Trump. As you know now, they testified again today.
     
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    And yet they made it.
     
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    Yes they did and both said in essence that no such thing happened.
     
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    I don't know. Did he say that? If so, that is not inconsistent with anything I said.

    Huh? Comey's memo provided Trump's exact words. They are in the post you replied to. Trump asked him to let Flynn go.

    Yes, but they would not answer the direct questions about what Trump asked them to do. A generalized denial is no denial at all.

    I omitted a lot of things. I was writing a post, not a book.
     
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    Yes he did and he said that he had not been pressure to stop any investigations or to perform any illegal act. IE you are back down to Comey, and based on the alreadu published Comey opening statement you won't get what you want out of that anyway all you will get is the fact that Comey doesn't like Trump which doesn't make Trump guilty of anything.
     
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    Obstruction requires corruption. Trump's inquiry on whether the Flynn investigation showed no corruption. Flynn had been fired for lying to Pence. Flynn had a decades long outstanding service record and had literally put his life on the line for the American people. Trump asked for discretion which Comey did not agree to. There is no obstruction in that. A pay grade is not needed to understand that.

    Trump asked for loyalty. Comey pledged honesty. Trump said that is what he wanted - honest loyalty. Comey replied that Trump would get that from him. Where is the crime ??
     
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    Neither apprently did Trump. At least nt according to Comey. at the time.
     
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    Please post a link to Comey saying that
     
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    Did he bring it to the attention of DOJ at the time?
     
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    It requires "corrupt intent" to constitute a legal crime. And a real case could be made that removing witnesses from the room and then trying to impede an ongoing investigation and then subsequently FIRING that individual when he didn't comply...constitutes "corrupt intent"
     
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    Post a link to the claim made please.
     
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    I was referring to the politicians on the committee trying to get these men to reveal private conversations they had with the president. I think those politicians look like they are trying to grandstand for the cameras
     
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    He did not dodge the only thing that mattered. Did Trump or anyone else in the administration pressure him to stop any investigation? The answer was no. Sorry but that answered every question you needed answered. Neither Rogers nor Coats has any evidence of obstruction. On to Comey. Fake news is still fake. It doesn't matter a damn what some unknown source in a newspaper claims it matters what they said and they said there was no attempt to have them interfere in an investigation.
     
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    The point sir is that if he made no claim to such at the time then at the time he either did not believe what was said to him rose to the level of obstruction or he was gulity of direlection of duty.
     
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    By it...you mean the claim that they don't have to answer to Congress.

    They do..under penalty of contempt of Congress.

    I suspect they have some real issues right now
     

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