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Compulsory voting is a good thing.

Discussion in 'Opinion POLLS' started by Sallyally, Jul 10, 2017.

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Is compulsory voting a good thing?

Poll closed Jul 17, 2017.

  1. Yes

    10 vote(s)
    22.7%

  2. No

    34 vote(s)
    77.3%

  3. Other

    0 vote(s)
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  1. Moi621

    Moi621 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Okay, we ain't totally, 100% Free. Easy peasy position.

    Why deny a Freedom when it just isn't necessary.
    The Freedom Not To Go Have Your Name Crossed Our On Some Gov't List.
    A cost benefit analysis weighs on the side of Freedom by Moi and most polled.

    Maybe Australia needs to break up into autonomous Provinces as :flagcanada: should.
    That just may stimulate their competitive spirit to see who can be governed most free.
    Compulsory voting is a loss of Freedom more than a "social benefit".

    Moi :oldman:

    r > g

    No Canada-1.jpg
    Across an immense, unguarded, ethereal border, Canadians, cool and unsympathetic,
    regard our America with envious eyes and slowly and surely draw their plans against us.    ​
     
    Moi621, Jul 11, 2017
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  2. AlNewman

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    I would like to say more like 5-4.
     
    AlNewman, Jul 11, 2017
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  3. AlNewman

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    Decide what?
     
    AlNewman, Jul 11, 2017
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  4. AlNewman

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    Let's see, European Union comes to mind.
     
    AlNewman, Jul 11, 2017
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    Yeah but it suuure is tasty!!
     
    Bowerbird, Jul 11, 2017
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    That is not what Trump wants. He wants carte blanche to do a general search predicated upon hearsay and innuendo.

    I voted for the man, but that vote does not mean that I will forfeit my Rights.
     
    TheResister, Jul 11, 2017
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  7. Moi621

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    Sounds like a deprogramming is in order.
    Your bliss is an illusion of your programming.
    Being required as you are etc. etc.
    is a loss of Liberty. A loss of Freedom.

    Seems like the requirement to get signed off on some gov't list is a hold over
    behavior from much earlier times for White Australia.
    I have seen Quigley Down Under as well as The Man From Snowy River 1 & 2.
    And the Nicole Kidman flick but, that's a later period.
    The patrol comes through and you better be able to produce your papers or some validity.
    Now they make you get crossed off their list.

    Time for you to realize and accept your God given, Anglo Saxon inspired Freedom.
    Not the post prison colony variant. <sigh>
    ​


    Moi :oldman:

    r > g

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    Yes, he is really :flagcanada:
    Across an immense, unguarded, ethereal border, Canadians, cool and unsympathetic,
    regard our America with envious eyes and slowly and surely draw their plans against us.    ​
     
    Moi621, Jul 11, 2017
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    And I would like to say you have that exactly backwards. If you voted, then shut up, you did it. If you didn't vote, then you have a right to retribution.
     
    AlNewman, Jul 11, 2017
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    If Amendment IV is the source of your rights, then you have no rights.
     
    AlNewman, Jul 11, 2017
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    osbornterry, Jul 11, 2017
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  11. Moi621

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    Yes.

    Both Green and Libertarian candidates were recycled.
    Those parties lack any dynamic for choosing a candidate.
    No contest between several. More of an anointing.

    :flagus: has one Party.
    The RepubloCratic Party
    with a democratic wing and a republican wing.
    Both run from Wall St. Not Main St.

    And compulsory voting is not going to change that, just to be on topic. ;)

    Moi :oldman:

    r > g


    canada-invade-cover.jpg
    Across an immense, unguarded, ethereal border, Canadians, cool and unsympathetic,
    regard our America with envious eyes and slowly and surely draw their plans against us    ​
     
    Moi621, Jul 11, 2017
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  12. Meta777

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    Like I was trying to say before, people will be much more likely to know about these alternative candidates as well as a lot more willing to fund and support them if the system actually gave them a fair shot at getting elected...but of course the current system does not give them a fair shot, even if they are well known.

    Look at Bernie Sanders for instance. Well known and well liked by democrats and republicans alike, though its not as if republicans got a chance to vote for him. After losing the democratic primary to Hillary he could have of course simply run as an Independent against both Hillary and The Donald. I recall he had better polling than either of them, and as an historically independent non-party-affiliated politician, it would have made sense on the face of things. So what then do you suppose is the reason he didn't do this? And again, are you familiar with the concepts of spoiler candidates and tactical voting?

    Again, note that Aussie-style preferential voting is only one of several different voting system alternatives, but it seems to me more than a little ridiculous that in this modern age we continue to use Plurality FPP which is unquestionably among the worst if not the worst and most unfair option out of the bunch! https://electology.org/blog/top-5-ways-plurality-voting-fails

    -Meta
     
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    A RepulicoCratic Party?

    Laughable, but if anyone has come close to breaking that mold, it is Donald Trump

    Donald Trump beat 15 candidates of the Republican Party to get their nomination. He overcame Republican reluctance and a democrat fat cat to become President of the United States.

    Trump won the election by stumping from state to state giving his message to huge crowds of supporters who elected him from red states and blue states.

    The November losers have waged a losing campaign to blame his win on anyone but themselves and they have failed at every turn. Politicians and media cry babies have admitted it.

    In the meantime, he has kept every promise he made. It is up to a Republican Congress to carry out the rest of their agenda with his signature attached.
     
    osbornterry, Jul 11, 2017
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    This brings a question to mind. Please explain to me why anyone would actually feel that any of the candidates, either in the primary or election, should invoke anyone to believe they deserved to be the leader? Just where are we going that we need a leader?
     
    AlNewman, Jul 11, 2017
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    Democracy?

    You mean letting the people make the choice without artificially and unfairly restricting their options? Nooo, that makes way too much sense for that to ever work....

    -Meta
     
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    Vote.
     
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    Yes.
    Easier to take over one of the two RepubloCratic parties. Donald Trump. Jimmy Carter.
    The problem is they have no "party support" in the Congress.
    The Tea Party. Remember them and the GOP. Who hears of them today?
    Taking over one of the two is easier than winning as a #3.
     
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    But you know what will change it,...right?
     
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    Another opinion with no substantive facts. Do you have anything to add to the topic at hand that you can substantiate or are you going to insist on hijacking the thread with your petty crying?
     
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    You haven't corrected me on anything save of a misattribution that I made while too tired to post once. Other than that, you don't have squat.
     
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    You are the one who wants the last word while taking pot shots. I have a PM here if you don't want to see the thread hijacked. If you're worried about it, do your talking there.
     
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    Please feel free to rebut any fake reply that I have made, but you can't, can you?
     
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    I already have. No need to do it in every thread on PF.

    I'm going to bed so feel free to entertain yourself. I have reported the trolling and if you are one of the mods under an assumed identity, I will keep my word.
     
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    But Australians seems to think govt force will change that situation?

    Remember, checking off a ballot is not the issue, simply making people show up accomplishes nothing productive, the people who would not vote unless forced to show up will not do the far more time consuming task of researching the politicians and issues.

    And why do you want lazy uninterested people to vote anyway?
     
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    That would be one way of stating the matter but I like the infamous words:

     
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