Congratulations, Ron DeSantis. Great Job [rolling eyes]. Moron.

Yes, they can get sick, but not "just as easily." Even though the efficacy of the vaccines has dropped after Delta, they still reduce the likelihood of catching the virus, so, no, not just as easily (see the true percentage below)

Which doesn't mean that whoever authored these threads is right. Is PF now the new standard for scientific evidence? LOL. I think that pretty much at most 5% of posters here have it right. Most dwell in misinformation.

Some are, but they are still a tiny percentage as opposed to how many people got vaccinated. Last I checked a few weeks ago (must be more by now) we were at 153,000 breakthrough infections, but this was out of 183 million vaccinated people. Those 153,000 provide lots of fodder for anti-vaxxers and bombastic journalists, but they represent only 0.08% of the vaccinated people. Do the math. Again, this was from a few weeks ago, and it did get worse but not by huge overall numbers. I'd say it's unlikely that it is more than 2%.

I fail to see how "having multiple threads about this at PF" constitutes proof of anything.

 

Wow! Finally! 18 months into the pandemic they are FINALLY saying what you and I have been saying here forever...

And they are finally including the idea of braces to increase the fit of facemasks, something I've been saying here forever too (I own three kinds of reusable braces, one of them homemade using neoprene rubber sheets).

Also they are now saying what I've been saying, that KN95 masks are often counterfeit. I had mentioned 70% of them. Apparently now it's 60% of them.

Yes, better late than never but it is entirely mind-boggling that it took them so long!

They still say this:

"CDC recommends that special N95 respirators labeled as “surgical” or “medical” should be prioritized for healthcare providers."

The 35 I mentioned that I received today in the mail are the "surgical" kind; these are both N95 NIOSH certified and ASTM level 3 certified for surgery. Still, they are widely available, in stock, one can buy as many of them as one feels fit. A bit more expensive than yours: $2.28 a piece. Still, like you said, less than what people typically spend on coffee per day. Truly excellent mask.

The twenty I got early in the week were 3M N95s, vented, so not approved for surgery (but what I do is that I put an ASTM level 3 facemask on top of it) and they cost only $1 a piece. However they did get sold out after I bought mine.

Another way to notice that they are having trouble moving these masks out... they are adding perks, now. One of the vendors I've purchased from is now throwing in a free infrared thermometer and and a free box of 100 procedure masks when you buy a box of one of their N95s.

Just found a case of 8 boxes of the Moldex 1512 (American-made high quality N95 rated for surgery) with 20 per box, therefore, 160 masks, for $290 or $1.80 per unit. In stock, you can buy as many cases as you want.

 

Lord, even more nonsense.

 

Excellent information. Thanks.

I’m not sure I understand the recommendations against respirators labeled surgical. I would think any labeled such are surplus that should be on the open market. In my opinion, if a hospital or clinic or other provider hasn’t locked down a reliable sufficient regular supply or contracted supply at this point it’s time they did so. I can’t imagine manufacturers would be selling the higher priced surgical labeled product on the open market if healthcare providers really were short of supply. That would be a very stupid business practice by the manufacturers if securing long term contracts was the goal (which it must be for these companies that spent millions of $’s getting into the business or expanding with the intention of replacing imports with domestic supplies).

I had not seen the thermometer offers etc. I agree that’s definitely a sign there is no shortage!

 

That is just another obvious partisan smear. Compared to other politicians Trump was surprisingly blunt and honest.

 

No, just another fully exposed white racist DP Governor.

 

Very strong opinion piece by a Floridian parent, very interesting read to understand the hardships the families who do believe in masks are facing in DeSantis' Florida:

https://www.yahoo.com/news/poor-king-desantis-doesn-t-100000612.html

 

Florida schoolchildren are required to undergo more than a dozen vaccinations over their years in the classroom and must obey dress codes detailing such things as the width of the straps on their tank tops.

Florida parents are already mandated by state law to vaccinate their children against diphtheria, tetanus, acellular pertussis, polio, measles, mumps, rubella, chicken pox and hepatitis B ― totaling at least 16 different shots ― before they can enroll them in either public or private schools.

Preschoolers, both public and private, are also required to have shots for haemophilus influenzae type b and pneumococcal conjugate.

Further, local school districts can and do impose rules regarding what children can and cannot wear. Girls, for example, are typically forbidden from wearing skirts shorter than a certain length or spaghetti-strap tops.

The governor talks about respecting parental choices but Florida doesn't even trust parents to send their kids to school in the first place. They have a law that mandates parents to send their kids to school.

So, DeSantis, why exactly are you for all these mandates, but against mandates for getting Covid-19 shots or wearing a mask? What exactly is different?

Answer: it's because you think that your opposition to Covid-19 control measures will earn you votes and will enhance your chances at a national run in GOP primaries. It's as simple as that. It's not based on any consistent and coherent beliefs. If you are for freedom of choice like you say you are, and you ask parents to make whatever decisions they feel fit, why don't you immediately revoke all the above mandates?

So, some mandates are fine, but others aren't? Based on what, exactly?

You are not fooling anybody, Governor DeSantis.

 

Sure. He lost by three million alien votes, Covid will begone in June and we have to look into drinking industrial cleaner. “Blunt and honest” is the gop euphemism for “ignorant and dishonest.”

No president ever lied more or had more convicted felons working for him.

The gop is now the anti vaccine party of death. I guess they’re also against all mandated vaccines now, right. Polio, small pox….you name it. Everyone has a right to become infected pigs and share your air in the head. The party of the dumb.

 

Impressive. Why are you still farming. You should be head of stem cell research and genetics. You know more then JHU. Amazing.

 

Exactly.
The gop is the party of “ let’s return to small pox, the plague. Polio and pissing on the floor of the super markets of America.”

 

You have to be shting us. Reading is no longer a required course in school

 

I’m farming because I’m pretty good at it as well. And it’s more enjoyable to me than the human medical/research profession. I’d rather roll around in the mud putting a cow uterus back in after a full prolapse and sew her up than work in an office or lab all day.

Plus, I get to play with (research and test) all the animal and plant genetics I want as a farmer.

 

Congrats. All those people who have died are just an illusion. Glad you straightened us all out. Every hospital in the United states should be listening to you instead of saving lives.

 

You’d rather roll around in the mud and making up sht ?

 

I’ve made up nothing. I’m bored with you Dagosa. The last word which will most certainly be fallacy of some kind is yours. Take care my friend.

 

Obviously he did not. You’d have actually posted it in quotes instead of making up what you claim he said.

 

I got bored with everytime Trump claimed to be an expert on something. It does get tiring listening to people pretend they know more then literally, all the medical science institutes in the world.

 

Seriously ? So only a smaller percent of children who get sick, are expendable ?

 

I’m tired of non mask wearers claiming to be experts on masks.

 

The masks don't prevent you from getting sick. Proven fact.

 

Proven fact ? Amazing. Why don’t you just become a hospital administrator then. You could have saved billions over the last 100 years eliminating masks in hospitals and maybe in every care unit in the world. You’re either ahead of your time or two hundred years behind. Can’t tell which at this stage.

 

Another ineffective partisan smear based on Fake News.

 

It has been known that masks to not prevent the spread of viruses. Which does not mean that they might not help spread other infections.

“Abstract
There were 3 influenza pandemics in the 20th century, and there has been 1 so far in the 21st century. Local, national, and international health authorities regularly update their plans for mitigating the next influenza pandemic in light of the latest available evidence on the effectiveness of various control measures in reducing transmission. Here, we review the evidence base on the effectiveness of nonpharmaceutical personal protective measures and environmental hygiene measures in nonhealthcare settings and discuss their potential inclusion in pandemic plans. Although mechanistic studies support the potential effect of hand hygiene or face masks, evidence from 14 randomized controlled trials of these measures did not support a substantial effect on transmission of laboratory-confirmed influenza. We similarly found limited evidence on the effectiveness of improved hygiene and environmental cleaning. We identified several major knowledge gaps requiring further research, most fundamentally an improved characterization of the modes of person-to-person transmission.”

Volume 26, Number 5—May 2020, Policy Review, Nonpharmaceutical Measures for Pandemic Influenza in Nonhealthcare Settings—Personal Protective and Environmental Measures, Jingyi Xiao1, Eunice Y. C. Shiu1, Huizhi Gao, Jessica Y. Wong, Min W. Fong, Sukhyun Ryu, and Benjamin J. Cowling, Author affiliations: University of Hong Kong, Hong Kong, China. (emphasis mine)
https://wwwnc.cdc.gov/eid/article/26/5/19-0994_article

"[E]vidence from 14 randomized controlled trials" should be enough proof for anyone. It has certainly been enough to convince Fauci, Pelosi, Newsom et al that masks don't work against viruses.

 

Oh, a study done in China
Is this the same Chine that was the source of the pandemic and the climate change hoax ?