Congress Moving to Cut U.S. Funding to U.N. in Wake of Anti-Israel Vote......

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  1. MMC

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    Show us a link that Netanyahu actually believes BO peep is a friend.
     
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    Actually it does work; sitting down around a table and talking to your enemy is how peace was brought to Northern Ireland after decades of terrorist atrocities.
     
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    Just because they have a minimal amount of success.....doesn't mean it works. Syria shows why the UN failed. Then there was Libya.
     
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    Any success, however small, is a positive. Didn't the UN's legal arm, the International Criminal Court, succeed in convicting war criminals from the Balkan conflict? Not such a failure as you imagine.
     
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    Ah yes, this move shows the power of AIPAC inside the Beltway.

    As far as I'm concerned, AIPAC should be forced to register as an agency of a foreign government. Israel owns Congress.
     
  6. MMC

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    How did they do with the Congo and Central Africa? How about South America?

    Maybe its time to get rid of the UN and try the League of Nations again, and this time.....something that will work. Like all being involved having Democracies.

    This way Countries can decide if they want to be part of the Justice League.
     
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    It's disputed territory. The Palestinians expand their settlements, as do the Israelis.

    Trump needs to make the UN great again:

    1. The United States accounts for 22% of the United Nations budget, most United Nations members pay almost nothing, and what they do pay is often offset by travel allowances for their personnel. Changes to the payment schedule to one that is population based so freeloading states pay their fair share. Or perhaps the Chinese would like to argue that they are not a major financial power.

    2. Change permanent membership of the Security Council, France is not a major power. Reallocate France's seat at the European Union seat. Unless France would like to explain to the rest of Europe that it is unwilling to share its veto with them. India is a rising power and needs a seat as a permanent member of the Security Council.

    3. The resolution on Israeli settlements should be followed up by resolutions on New Zealand’s historically genocidal policies towards the Maoris, Russia’s military adventures in Ukraine and Georgia and let’s not forget Syria, France’s discriminatory policies towards its Muslim population and sinking of Greenpeace’s Rainbow Warrior and their colonial record, Britain’s colonial history, Venezuela’s economic policies, Japan’s World War II crimes in China, Egypt’s Muslim Brotherhood's terrorist activity and attempted take over of Egypt. China’s occupation of Tibet and massive carbon emissions. Turkey’s Armenian genocide and suppression of the Kurds, Iran and Saudi Arabia’s terrorist activities and misogyny, Syria’s use of chemical weapons and Sudan’s genocidal attacks on their neighboring states.

    4. Many of the United Nations’ member states do not have diplomatic relations with the United States, but have UN missions within United States territory. Narrowing the scope of diplomatic protections of the personnel of those missions to the immediate area around the United Nations and their missions, with free passage between them, would make Manhattan far less attractive for these diplomats and their support staff (which includes significant espionage assets). Such persons could even be declared persona non grata, and be denied the pleasures of New York’s culture and amenities. This would significantly curtail their activities and impacts on the city, especially in terms of the massive costs of UN scofflaws. Simply imposing the same parking rules that burden regular New Yorkers on the staffs of these missions would go a long way to making New York City less livable for them (and the cash-strapped DeBlasio administration can certainly use those revenues). Imagine opponents having to argue that the representatives of impoverished rogue states should be allowed to attend the Metropolitan Opera, dine at 5-star restaurants and party like rock stars while their people starve.

    http://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2016/12/un_withdrawal_never_wound_a_king.html
     
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    Without that its no longer the United nations though
    The major flaw is people like the us russia and China geting a.veto in the frist place your no better then the rest of us and you should definatly.not be allowed to say xxxxx xxx I veto when you dont like it. Especially when every single other vote was yes.
    Nobody should get a veto and all votes should be equal i such a scenarii and funding should be done by all members equal
     
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    I agree that there ought not be a member with veto power, however, I would not have Russia or China in the new UN.
     
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    You realize if the US is not the one leading, then someone else will.

    I easily forsee the US no longer being the only super power left in the world. More so, the US no longer being a super power/leader of the free world.


    Sent from my SM-T560NU using Tapatalk
     
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    thats the point the claim of someone elses land when speaking private ownership here is false. The majority of the land was not privately owned. Although are you denying a Jews right to own land privately over the green line? if so give a legal basis for the green line being an international legal border since the argeement which created it claims otherwise. Check the UN Website.

    up to 2000 buildings throughout the West may be in private Palestinians land. This is out of a population of 100,000s. If they are they should all be demolished unless there is good reason or history to do otherwise.

    Fact is an Israeli Arab is allowed to live there on land he bought under Israel law, a Palestinian the same. Only a Jew also non-Israeli are forbidden.

    So far noone here has been able to bring up any international document that gives the Palestinians as a nation the legal right to the land.
     
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    I lived in England at the time and Israel during the intifada. There is no comparison. Again the PLO calls for the destruction of israel no matter what, Hamas calls for the global Genocide of Jews. How much more do you need.

    The IRA were nothing compared to Islamic Extremists.
     
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    It is not being built on 'other people's land'. The land is under dispute.

    But if it is land they want there is no shortage in nearby areas. Check it out. http://www.mefacts.com/cached.asp?x_id=10190
     
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    many Israeli settlements have been built on confiscated Palestinian private property.

    this is against international law AND Israeli law.
     
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    For some reason.....they avoid that.
     
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    What a blatant lie from Netanyahu, regarding the Kerry speech. Kerry denounced Hamas and Palestinian terrorism repeatedly in his speech. Netanyahu and Trump seem to have lies and deception as their common trait.
     
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    A Complete Timeline of Obama’s Anti-Israel Hatred
    by BEN SHAPIRO 20 Mar 2015


    On Thursday, the press announced that the Obama administration would fully consider abandoning Israel in international bodies like the United Nations.

    According to reports, President Obama finally called Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu to congratulate him – but the “congratulations” was actually a lecture directed at forcing Netanyahu to surrender to the terrorist Palestinian regime.

    For some odd reason, many in the media and Congress reacted with surprise to Obama’s supposedly sudden turn on Israel. The media, in an attempt to defend Obama’s radicalism, pretend that Netanyahu’s comments in the late stages of his campaign prompted Obama’s anti-Israel action.

    But, in truth, this is the culmination of a longtime Obama policy of destroying the US-Israel relationship; Obama has spent his entire life surrounded by haters of Israel, from former Palestine Liberation Organization spokesman Rashid Khalidi to former Jimmy Carter National Security Advisor Zbigniew Brzezinski, pro-Hamas negotiator Robert Malley to UN Ambassador Samantha Power (who once suggested using American troops to guard Palestinians from Israelis), Jeremiah Wright (who said “Them Jews ain’t going to let him talk to me”) to Professor Derrick Bell (“Jewish neoconservative racists…are undermining blacks in every way they can”). Here is a concise timeline, with credit to Dan Senor and the editors of Commentary:

    February 2008: Obama says while campaigning, ‘There is a strain within the pro-Israel community that says unless you adopt an unwavering pro-Likud approach to Israel that you’re anti-Israel.” At the time, as Dan Senor pointed out in The Wall Street Journal, Israel was run by the Kadima government run by Ehud Olmert, Tzipi Livni, and Shimon Peres, and was attempting desperately to bring the Palestinians to the table. Instead, the Palestinians launch war, as always.

    June 2008: Obama tells the American Israel Public Affairs Conference that Jerusalem ought to remain undivided, attempting to woo Jewish votes. He then walks that back the next day, saying only that the capital shouldn’t be divided by barbed wire.

    March 2009: The Obama administration reverses the Bush era policy of not joining the United Nations Human Rights Council. Secretary of State Clinton said, “Human rights are an essential element of American global foreign policy,” completely neglecting the UNHRC’s abysmally anti-Semitic record. The Washington Post reported that the administration joined the Human Rights Council even though they conceded that it “has devoted excessive attention to alleged abuses by Israel and too little to abuses in places such as Darfur, Sri Lanka and Zimbabwe.”

    May 2009: Obama tells Netanyahu that “settlements have to be stopped in order for us to move forward.” Netanyahu announces a settlement freeze to comply. The Palestinians refuse to negotiate. Obama then slams Israel: “they still found it very hard to move with any bold gestures.”

    June 2009: Obama tells the world in his infamous Cairo speech that Israel was only created based on Jewish suffering in the Holocaust. He then says that Palestinians have been similarly victimized by the Jews: “They endure the daily humiliations – large and small – that come with occupation. So let there be no doubt: the situation for the Palestinian people is intolerable. America will not turn our backs on the legitimate Palestinian aspiration for dignity, opportunity, and a state of their own.”

    July 2009: Obama threatens to put “daylight” between the United States and Israel. He tells Jewish leaders, “Look at the past eight years. During those eight years, there was no space between us and Israel, and what did we get from that?” Except for Israel forcibly removing thousands of Jews from the Gaza Strip, the election of Hamas, and the launch of war by the Palestinians and Hezbollah, nothing happened. Obama then lectures the Jews about the need for Israeli “self-reflection.” The same month, Obama tells CNN that the United States would “absolutely not” give Israel permission to strike Iran’s nuclear facilities.

    September 2009: Obama tells the United Nations that “America does not accept the legitimacy of continued Israeli settlements.” Obama’s definition of Israeli settlements, as the world soon learned, included building bathrooms in a home already owned by Jews in East Jerusalem. Obama offers no serious criticism of the Palestinians.

    March 2010: Obama follows up on his threatening language about settlements by deploying Vice President Joe Biden to Israel, where Biden rips into the Israelis for building bathrooms in Jerusalem, the eternal Jewish capital. Hillary Clinton then yells at Netanyahu for nearly an hour on the phone, telling him he had “harmed the bilateral relationship.” David Axelrod calls the building plans an “insult” to the United States. When Netanyahu visits the White House a week and a half later, Obama makes him leave via a side door.

    April 2010: Obama refuses to prevent the Washington summit on nuclear proliferation from becoming an Arab referendum on the evils of Israel’s nukes.

    June 2010: An anonymous “US defense source” leaks to the Times of London that Israel had cut a deal with the Saudis to use their airspace to strike Iran. The deal is scuttled.

    May 2011: The State Department labeled Jerusalem not a part of Israel. The same month, Obama demanded that Israel make concessions to the Palestinians based on the pre-1967 borders, which Israelis call the “Auschwitz borders” thanks to their indefensibility.

    November 2011: Obama and French president Nicolas Sarkozy are caught on open mic ripping Netanyahu, with Sarkozy stating, “I can’t stand him, he’s a liar,” and Obama replying, “You’re tired of him? What about me? I have to deal with him every day.”

    December 2011: Secretary of State Hillary Clinton rips into the State of Israel, stating that it is moving in the “opposite direction” of democracy. She said that Israel reminded her of Rosa Parks, and that religious people not listening to women sing – a millennia-long policy among some segments of the Orthodox – reminds her of extremist regimes, adding that it seemed “more suited to Iran than Israel.“

    February 2012: Secretary of Defense Leon Panetta tells David Ignatius at the Washington Post that the possibility he worried about most was that Israel would strike Iran. The Post then adds, “Panetta believes there is a strong likelihood that Israel will strike Iran in April, May or June – before Iran enters what Israelis described as a ‘zone of immunity’ to commence building a nuclear bomb.” The goal: to delay any potential Israeli strike.

    March 2012: NBC News somehow gains information from “senior Obama administration officials” that Israel had financed and trained the Iranian opposition group Mujahideen-e-Khalq, and adds that the Obama administration had nothing to do with hits on Iranian nuclear scientists. More daylight. More leaks. The same month, Foreign Policy receives information from “four senior diplomats and military intelligence officers” that the “United States has recently been granted access to Iran’s northern border.” Foreign Policy also reports that a “senior administration official” has told them, “The Israelis have bought an airfield, and the airfield is Azerbaijan.” Again, a potential Israeli strike is scuttled. The same day as the Foreign Policy report, Bloomberg reports a Congressional Research Service report stating that Israel can’t stop Iran’s nuclear program in any case. Columnist Ron Ben-Yishai of Yidioth Ahronoth writes that the Obama administration wants to “erode the IDF’s capacity to launch such strike with minimal casualties.”

    June 2012: In an attempt to shore up the Jewish vote, top members of the Obama administration, including Barack Obama, Joe Biden, and then-CIA director Leon Panetta were quoted by David Sanger of The New York Times talking about the President’s supposedly deep involvement in the Stuxnet plan to take out Iran’s nuclear reactors via computer virus. Until that point, it had been suspected but not confirmed that Stuxnet was an Israeli project. The Obama administration denied leaking the information. A year later, the State Department released emails showing that Sanger had corresponded regularly with all the top Obama officials, including correspondence on Stuxnet.

    December 2012: Secretary of State Hillary Clinton speaks at the Saban Forum on US-Israel Relations, where she says that Israelis have a “lack of empathy” for Palestinians, and that the Israelis need to “demonstrate that they do understand the pain of an oppressed people in their minds.”

    March 2013: Obama forces Netanyahu to call Islamist Turkish Prime Minister Tayyip Erdogan to apologize for Israel’s actions to stop a terrorist-arming flotilla from entering the Gaza Strip to aid Hamas. Erdogan had recently labeled Zionism racism.

    May 2013: Members of the Obama Pentagon leak information that Israel attacked the Damascus airport to stop a shipment of weapons to terrorist groups. Obama officials actually had to apologize for this leak, since it endangered American lives. They blamed “low-level” employees.

    June 2013: The Obama administration leaks specific information regarding Israeli Arrow 3 anti-ballistic missile sites. Weeks later, US sources tell CNN that Israel attacked a Syrian installation full of Russian-provided missiles. The same month, “American intelligence analysts” tell the New York Times that Israeli strikes had not been effective. All that information was classified.

    June 2014: Three Jewish teenagers are kidnapped, including an American, and murdered by Hamas. The Obama administration immediately calls on Israel for restraint, and says it will continue to work with a Palestinian unity government including Hamas. State Department spokeswoman Jen Psaki says that the Obama administration wants “the Israelis and the Palestinians continue to work with one another on that, and we certainly would continue to urge that… in spite of, obviously, the tragedy and the enormous pain on the ground.” Throughout the ensuing Gaza War, in which Hamas fired rockets at Israeli civilians and tunnels were uncovered demonstrating Hamas’ intent to kidnap Israeli children, the Obama administration criticized Israel’s prosecution of the war.

    August 2014: In the middle of a shooting war, Obama stopped weapons shipment to Israel. According to the Wall Street Journal, Obama found out that Israel asked the Defense Department for shipments of Hellfire missiles. Obama personally stepped in and blocked the shipments.

    October 2014: Jeffrey Goldberg, court Jew for the Obama administration, releases an article in The Atlantic quoting Obama officials calling Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu a “chicken(*)(*)(*)(*).” Goldberg, naturally, blames Netanyahu (of course, he also wrote in 2008 that any Jew who feared Obama on Israel was an “obvious racist”).

    January 2015: Obama deploys his campaign team to defeat Netanyahu in Israel. A group titled “One Voice,” funded by American donors, pays for the Obama campaign team, led by Obama 2012 field director Jeremy Bird. The announcement comes days after Speaker of the House John Boehner’s invite to Netanyahu to speak before a joint session of Congress. Obama quickly announced he would not meet with Netanyahu, making the excuse that the meeting would come too close to the election.

    March 2015: Netanyahu wins. Obama refuses to call him to congratulate him for two days. When he does, he threatens to remove American support in the international community, even as he moves to loosen sanctions and weapons embargoes on Iran.

    Nothing has changed. Obama is who he always was. The mask has simply been removed.



    Obama was brought up in the Muslim faith. He pretended to be a Christian to get elected. This is really who he is. Remember, he interfered in another country's election so that Netanyahu would lose, but Obama failed. And then he accuses Russia of the same thing? Obama is really insane.
     
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    FOX News Lies.
     
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    He has funded terrorism via Iran and will release more terrorists from Gitmo through Presidential pardons before his term expires. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...ll-CASH-little-known-fund-taxpayer-money.html
     
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    The credibility and influence of an Anglosphere was slowing gaining momentum but with Brexit the idea gained more ground and, with the neutering or abolishment of the UN, it can only grow. The dictatorships and theocracies should be isolated or have their own forum. http://explorersfoundation.org/archive/anglosphere_primer.pdf
     
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    Hillary Clinton won election.
     
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    i saw the map and saw significantly lower numbers than I expected to see.
     
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    Amazingly, Congress is so ignorant of its own geopolitics, that it confuses its actual allies. England/Japan have always been staunch US allies(with exception of the various skirmishes and WW2 of course.) We've rebuilt Germany, Italy and others into the Western Bloc and if we succeed in doing the same with Russia, Manifest Destiny would have truly swept across the Channel. Sea to shining sea.

    Throwing off the neo-con conception of foreign policy will be a great challenge. The Neo-con is an inherent thorn inside of our country, but if our countrymen/women pay attention and are willing, we can do it. It's a part of making America great again.
     
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    We're more "team palestine" in the UK
     

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