Conservatives hail end of bathroom rule for transgender kids

To be fair there is zero scientific evidence supporting this and I challenge you to prove otherwise.

Show us the scientific data that the declaration of a person can change their sex. You don't get a pass implying I'm close minded if you can't cite the very science you claim supports your position.

 

It was a waste of time and none of his business when Obama gave his opinion back in May. This never should have been a federal issue.

 

Ok you've made it clear you don't want your positions challenged especially when you make a false and hateful label of others. I understand.

 

To be fair he seems to have an open mind unlike for example calling an opposing view knuckle dragging bigots.

 

denial?

So you can not see anywhere in this country where there exists men whom when seated in a restaurant for instance, watched their little girl get up and go to the restroom, then watched an obvious man in a dress get up and walk into same bathroom behind his daughter he would not bring immediate pain to this "transgender"...but you believe he would simply sit there and say "darn liberal laws, I hope she is ok in there"

I don't know where they grow your type but it's not around here. I'm just informing you of something you obviously don't think exists, I'm not arguing

 

Incorect.

What I have made clear is the lame, accusatory strawman arguments in your posts are not my kryptonite.

 

The "suffering" of the Trump haters is just icing on the cake.

 

Attacking me will not change what you accused others of that you are unwilling to support with factual data. I suggest we drop this since you are unwilling to support your own accusations.

 

you're living in a make believe world

 

Yes i have no idea what these "horrors" could be..

 

I didn't attack you. I attacked the contents of your posts. To be accurate, I did not engage you in any way in this matter. You responded to my post.

 

Left wing. All you guys think about is trying to get old men the freedom to pee with little girls. Grow up. The bathrooms are fine. You got a wiener, you go in the mens. If ya don't, you go in the women's. Too easy.

 

Hey, if your open to the concept, then that's great, I just haven't seen any posts from you that would indicate otherwise.

Honestly, I think that there is some science behind a portion of the transgendered community and their internal struggle, and for some it may come from a place of abuse or trauma, or a simple desire to fit into a specific community. I don't see there being any 'one' reason for it.

Ultimately, in the end, this bathroom rule would have made some people uncomfortable, and a lot of people feel more included in the world we live in. But, as I said above, I doubt it'll really change anything significant either way.

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/is-there-something-unique-about-the-transgender-brain/

http://sitn.hms.harvard.edu/flash/2016/gender-lines-science-transgender-identity/

Agreed. Name calling from either side simply weakens your argument.

 

Really? Seems quite solid to me. Why do you think so?

 

Actually it would make the overwhelming majority of people uncomfortable, and a very very few (arguably) mentally deranged people feel more included.

 

Actually I questioned yours and your false labels. You then claimed it was personal and were unwilling to support your own accusations.

Best to leave it there because if you are unwilling to defend your own labels there is no point in discussing it further.

 

Says you. I live in one of the most conservative provinces in my country, and we instituted these bathroom laws a year ago, and outside of a couple of incidents, not much fan-fare or many issues. some like it, some don't, most don't care either way.

 

The suffering is all in these folk's heads. It must be hell to suffer for made up reasons.

 

This was always an over reach by government, it should have been decided by the states and their voters not by the federal government.

 

Did you read the links? There is no causality to biology. Brain size can vary by personality. It has nothing to do with a declaration you are not the sex you are born.

This is an age old concept. As a personality is shaped it can affect the brain size or development but it has zero to do with biology or genetics.

http://www.livescience.com/8343-personality-predicted-size-brain-regions.html

The Chromosomes do not change therefore the sex never changed. Even the twins study cited in the second article cannot rule out the environment a person lives in as the cause and not their genetic makeup. That's the point.

 

I live in a conservative area also, and it's not an issue here either. You know why? Because there are next to no transgenders here. I imagine in other places it would be more of an issue for people.

 

So, according to you, Libs' demand that transgenders get to use the bathroom they mentally align with is just their invented nonsense. That may be the most sense you have ever made on this forum...

 

From you link

"were more similar in some respects "

"these areas tend to be thinner in men than in women)."

Then admit Male-to-female subjects tended to have thinner cortical regions in the right hemisphere, which is characteristic of a female brain. (Such differences became more pronounced after treatment.)

Imagine that load a body full of hormones and you see differences..


Also and key

"Of course, behavior and experience shape brain anatomy, so it is impossible to say if these subtle differences are inborn."

 

Ah, but are we speaking of simple biology or gender identity? Biology is one thing, and that's very true that the genetic sex doesn't change. But who are we to declare that your genetic identity is your only identity? I'm not saying we have to open this up to the 'i feel like a dog so I am one' crowd, but there is a scientific basis for why men and womens brains/mental state flow to the otherside of their biological identity. There are a lot of unknowns when it comes to personal identity and it's relationship with our biology.

Possibly, and we do have a Trans community here, the size of which I don't honestly know. But I don't think that equates to the assumption that most are uncomfortable, just as I don't see an equation that the opposite is true, only that the overall reaction to our bathroom laws have been significantly more muted then your countries.

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True, except

 

The problem isn't what someone thinks they are, it's that the rest of us must treat them like they are that thing. I think I am the Queen of England. Fine, right? Now YOU must bow down to me in subservience.