Corbyn dismissed

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  1. Esau

    Esau Well-Known Member

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    You cannot be anti self. Corbyn was anti apartheid. The apartheid regime was the most horrific regime on earth and corbyn stood against that whereas ppl like yourself are active supporters of afrikkkaners. This makes your opionion irrelevant in terms of race relations as you hold white extremist views
     
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    This guy guves an excellent account of the weaponsiation of Labour antisemitism.

     
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    alexa Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Ok that is a big read. With respect to Livingston that obviously was right at the beginning. At that time I was keeping up with things through sites like Jews for Justice for Palestinians and Free Speech on Israel. The general opinion there was that Livingston was not an antisemite but some said that he had dealt with it in a clumsy way - no doubt he did not know that Mann who had already tried to get a University Union banned from speaking about Israel, was on the go again. Anyway what I have heard more than one person say in the last few days was that it was Corbyn himself who eventually told him he would need to go, even if reluctantly. Finkelstein was told about this. He could not believe it. He said even in the states you did not get called an antisemite for humour. It used to be that in the States it was much more dangerous to be honest about Israel - there was the danger of losing your job and being called names if you did not say the right thing. It looks like that is coming over to the UK now or is it - check out the video I left in post 27 where they totally ignore antisemitism of Tories - as they do with Islamophiba in the Tory Party. The EHRC was asked to look into this in the Tory Party and said they did not think there was enough to do that when there is way more Islamophobia in the Tory Party than antisemitism in Labour. I don't know Pam Bromley but will look her up.

    They have wrecked a lot of people's lives. Do you remember the investigation of Oxford they did. The woman in charge of that spoke to the Jewish Labour Movement (which was a movement created after Corbyn became Labour Leader though it claimed to be part of an old group which went defunct a long time ago) Anyway she spoke to the Jewish Labour Movement and told them she was very sorry she was unable to find Institutional Antisemitism at Oxford. I think it was Tony Greenstein who was telling this and he said WTF, when are people not delighted not to have found antisemitism. What is going on now when people have to claim to be sorry not to have found it?
     
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    You mean, other than his foreword to Hobson's antisemitic book "Imperialism", foreword that is in itself an endorsement of a virulently antisemitic ideology?

    Do you agree with Corbyn that Zionists in Britain don't understand English irony?

    Corbyn calls Hezbollah, the organization whose goal is to kill all Jews, his friends. That's more than enough to understand how deep his hatred of Jews really is.
     
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    A perfect example of the Zionist smear campaign targeting Corbyn,
    A 1902 book considered by many to be a excellent history of how Imperialism led to WW1, Corbyn wrote a forward on that and the book was no more antisemetic than many books written at that time, are you going to call out all the British politicians who have wrote forwards on books by Lloyd George or Churchill? When Jewish politicians endorse the Balfour Declaration do you call them antisemetic because Balfour was a rabid antisemite?
    Please do not make things up, "some zionists" not all, now are you going to argue that all zionists in the UK understand irony?

    So you could not find a single quote of Corbyn's that is antisemetic so you went for guilt by association!

    The problem with Corbyn was that he was not supportive enough of Israel and Israel was scared witless of a British PM who might not support them. We have a home secretary who has had illicit meetings with Israeli politicians and had to resign for it, much better suited to Israel than Corbyn. I hope the labour party members get rid of Kier and chuck out the fifth columnists who sought to destroy the chances of a socialist government in the UK, we will not forget these traitors in our midst.
     
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  6. Esau

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    This dispute boils down to corbyn vs tax dodgers basically.
     
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    Apartheid was separating peoples into their homelands. No-one was butchered like Burundi or the
    Congo. No-one starved because they were the wrong tribes like Zimbabwe or Sudan. In fact, what
    blacks do to blacks in Africa is quite astonishing. Here's a list of 44 nations where slavery, ethnic
    killing and apartheid were/still practiced and IGNORED BY ANTI-APARTHEID CAMPAIGNERS. It's
    no wonder so many Africans wanted to live in Apartheid Sth Africa.
    .
    1. Burundi

    2. Rwanda
    3. Kenya
    4. South Sudan
    5. Tanzania
    6. Uganda
    7. Cameroon
    8. Central African Republic
    9. Chad
    10. Congo (Republic of)
    11. Congo (Democratic Republic of)
    12. São Tomé and Príncipe
    13. Djibouti
    14. Eritrea
    15. Ethiopia
    16. Somalia
    17. Algeria
    18. Egypt
    19. Libya
    20. Morocco
    21. Sudan
    22. Tunisia
    23. Angola
    24. Lesotho
    25. Malawi
    26. Mozambique
    27. Namibia
    28. Swaziland
    29. Zambia
    30. Zimbabwe
    31. Benin
    32. Burkina Faso
    33. Côte d'Ivoire
    34. Gambia
    35. Ghana
    36. Guinea
    37. Guinea-Bissau
    38. Liberia
    39. Mali
    40. Mauritania
    41. Niger
    42. Nigeria
    43. Sierra Leone
    44. Western Sahara


    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_conflicts_in_Africa
     
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    Poohbear Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    For sure, no need to - Corbyn's HISTORY on the matter speaks volumes.
    But my issue with Corbyn isn't his antisemitism but the fact that he wanted to turn England into another Venezuela.
     
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    Good point. I notice people now speaking a lot more about the fake news about him being about fear of his position re imperialism and neo liberalism. The Centrists and the Far Right came together on this. At the same time it was abuse of Britain's Jews because they were encouraged to believe that the Labour Party really had overnight turned antisemetic. Some Zionist Jews were definately involved in it but it was not begun by Jews it was begun by Blairites. There was even one situation where a group of student Jews had set up a grotesque statement about Corbyn and along came a group of Corbyn supporting students and student good feeling is gone. That sort of thing can definately live on especailly when the lies are. Truth though is, it was not just Neoliberalism it was also because of his belief that Palestinians are human beings with right to the same rights as everyone else that was extremely strong. Deceit always harms and this deceit has harmed a lot of people in the UK and it did not just harm individuals, the other major harm it did was destroy the democratic position of the UK. The London School of Economics about a year in were so concerned about this ongoing attack from all the press on the Leader of the Opposition that it did some research. They discovered that almost all of the things which were being said about Corbyn were either untrue or gross exaggerations and they said that for all the press to be doing this against the Leader of the Opposition could be seen as an attack on Democracy.

    On the antisemitism bit what they did was take the notion extremist zionists have always wanted which is that if it could be antisemetic then say it is antisemetic. The UK has refused to accept that. Our court ruled that this was not true when they tried to do it about one of our Universities but through lying about our opposition and so destroying it and creating a situation in the UK where people are afraid to tell the truth, like if we take the reality that the very thing Corbyn is accused of doing the report says it is his and everyone else's right to do this, to inform. We find the Deputy Leader of the Party saying that although what he said may be true it was unacceptable to say it. Clearly she does not respect the report. We now had Starmer today saying it is his imagination that most Labour supporters will not find what Corbyn said acceptable - again regardles of the reality that the Report firmly said it was his right and an even stronger right for him as he is a Politician.
     
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    disgusting analysis yet hardly a surprising stance to take by rothschild disciples and their ilk.
     
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    I am not English. But I find it fascinating that the ones who hate Blair the most are in the
    Labor Party. You know the old saying, a house divided against itself. The real reason for
    the fall of the Labor Party wasn't antisemitism but the party's shift to the hard left.
    On another post I gave a list of 44 African nations that engaged in slavery, apartheid and
    ethnic cleansing - but got no sympathy from the "anti-apartheid" protesters. It's the same
    sort of thing with the Palestinians. Those "concerned" about Palestinians usually are not
    "concerned" about Venezuelans, Chinese Muslims, North Koreans, Cubans, Syrians etc..
    Selective morality is no morality at all.
     
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    Bingo!
     
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    Bingo again!
     
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    It won't be long and South Africans will begin fleeing to hell holes like Zimbabwe.
    I have a few friends who have come out of South Africa with tales to tell of the
    deteriorating conditions there. It's been said often enough that the last to leave
    will be the Chinese. And when they do where will be the "anti apartheid" warriors?
    No-where to be seen.
     
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    Yes
    Look at the benefits to native Africans since
    Rhodesia became Zimbabwe.

    Likewise a no apartheid South Africa.

    There was a failure to cultivate a democratic, law abiding culture.


    Moi
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    Start at 3:15 to "get it".
     
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    Excellent, which parts of the Labour manifesto would turn the UK into another Venezuela?
     
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    So No answer to anything I said and just your usual smutty unintelligent attempt at personal attack. Your words have no meaning.
     
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    He'll be thinking that if the UK moved from Neo Liberalism to Democratic Socialism the US would be sanctioning us meaning we would not be able to get food or medicine for everyone and thousands of us would die. It is a threat.
     
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    I doubt it, I rather suspect that he has no idea what was in the Labour manifesto, what we have here is someone who has read lots of click bait articles and has no substance when you actually ask him to show evidence!
     
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    Excellent video, backs up what I wrote to Pisa, wonder what she thinks of Boris Johnsons antisemitism in 72 virgins? It actually mirrors what Hobson wrote in Imperialism that Jews control the banking and media, not just a forward.
     
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    I am not sure 'lots'
     
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    the benefits to native africans since the fall of rhodes is that black majority rule has once again been established. Although whites still control much of the resource wealth in southern africa which is why we still see poverty amongst portions of the black population
     
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    This is the UK's new version of reality...make up some crap about being racist or sexist or other such "woke" bolloks and then attack the person. Irrespective of fact, shyte sticks so basically you're fuked unless you go to court which in the eyes of the public is just a fat cat trick to "dodge" the bullet - so you're basically buggered whichever way you go.
    The UK is up to its gills in fantasy land minority "tolerance" or "green" politics imposed on the majority by the minority - predicated upon the myth that its the moral requirement of the "awakened" few to evangelise the ignorant and correct their aberrant ways.
     
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    Im fairly certain there are vast sections of the global white populations that would love to see south africa fail under black rule, more than anything in the world.
     
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    As as left leaning person unfortunately I have to agree with you, we have brought it on ourselves, all this PC stuff. It is miles away from the form of working class socialism I was brought up on.
     
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