Corona Virus Update

This seems like a screw up.



https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/201...dc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/cases-in-us.html

 

Because it's better for you political bent? What the literal ****?

 

Like I said, as of last week every case went through them. I see you left out the part where it says they are no longer investigating nor reporting NEGATIVE RESULTS. They're not saying they're not reporting Positive RESULTS.

Are you now saying that the states are no longer reporting positive results to the CDC?

 

Haha

 

Actually, if you understood what are admittedly early and not large enough numbers (nor in all likelihood complete ones), you would realize that the death rate from the virus in the US based on the reported cases is actually very high. In this regard, you don't divide number of deaths with number of confirmed cases, as there is a 7-10 day lag time during which someone who has contracted the virus either recovers from it or not. What you look at instead are the 'concluded cases', while monitoring what is happening to the currently active cases (cases which have neither resulted in recovery nor death).

The percentage of people who have died in the concluded cases category in the US is frighteningly high: 56%! Put differently, of 168 cases in the US which aren't active any more and have reached a disposition, where someone who has tested positive has either recovered or, alternatively, has died, the numbers are as follows:

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/
These are, to be sure, very early numbers and it seems unlikely that the ratio of death to recovery will remain so high. But there is at least one country with a large sample of concluded cases which shows a terrifying ratio as well, namely Italy. In Italy, in nearly 5,000 (4,907) concluded cases, you have 2,749 (56%) who have recovered but 2,158 (44%) who have died. That is a better ratio than the current numbers from the US, but otherwise the worse among the other countries which have large numbers concluded cases.

 

I read somewhere that they changed when they counted a case. That may have been when they did it.

 

Use the rest of the data, confirmed cases vs. those who have died, the mortality rate is NOT 56% if that's what your trying to say. The investigation piece is where it came from who they got it from etc, we're past that point. If there is more positives than being reported then the mortality rate would be lower.

 

That piece it appears is awaiting test results. It deals with "illness that began during this time that may not being reported". I guess it needs further explanation because they are reporting more confirmed positives.

 

As I said, the 'rest of the data' shows the other portions of the 'confirmed cases' to be still 'active cases', meaning the person who has contracted the virus has not yet recovered. You will know what happens to these folks, not today, but after a lapse of time where they either recover or not.

To be sure, I am not suggesting the mortality rate of the virus is anything like 56%. Even if the numbers for the US end up as poorly as those in Italy (where even in a large sample of closed cases, you have 44% who have died), those numbers will still mainly tell you about the fate of the portion of those infected by the virus who had become symptomatic enough to be tested. The rule of thumb is that between 10-20% of those who actually catch the virus end up being symptomatic enough to be tested. But anything close to half of even 10-20% is a much higher mortality rate than you are imagining. Even the much better recover rates elsewhere, including in Iran (85%) would still leave too many people dead, if you wait long enough for virus to take its toll and add to its numbers.

 

They probably have a Yuge backlog.

 

Because single-payer socialist healthcare sucks balls.

My point is that COVID-19 is not killing anyone who wouldn't've died of any other flu viruses.

Wikipedia discarded on sight. You cannot use Wikipedia as a source with me. "Rankings" are subjective. Meh.

.000577% is insignificant. People die all the time.

It's hysteria over a flu virus. Most people get cold symptoms for a while and then they're back to life as normal, just like they did with any other flu.

 

It's hysteria? What a pathetic joke. All world is reacting but you have all the answers, right? What is your medical expertise? How many years have you been an expert in infectious disease?

Are trump and pence lying now to make liberals feel better?

 

Again... 2nd best healthcare system of the world. US of A aint nr 1.
Your opinion is irrelevant.

source it

You're subjective. Wikipedia comes with footnotes and is widely accepted as a general ok source.

Source me an example where hospitals in western nations could not handle the amount of patients needing care, and you got a point that it's not significant.

A type of flue we're not resistant too.

 

Not even a word,let alone a complete sentence.
Even Ah or Oh are words.

 

The bolded is objectively wrong. The mortality rate of this virus is 10x, on the low end, more lethal than the flu according to Dr. Fauci.

 

CDC just said current US mortality rate is .007 but some are more susceptible to higher rates and that doesn't mean it will end up there. I'll trust them on that on.

 

I am saying precisely what the CDC said. The numbers that they report are not going to match the numbers elsewhere because there are private industries who do not report directly to the CDC and because there is a lag between the numbers reported by the States and the numbers reported by the CDC.

 

This implies a quote. Are you quoting someone?

 

Yes, it's all just irrational fear over a flu virus. The Dems see bonus points in bringing the economy and stock market to a screeching halt with this irrational fear so that they can use it as a talking point against Trump before November elections.

There is no reason to fear COVID-19. It is just another winter flu.

 

Yes, we know Dr. Fauci has put himself front and center. The problem for him is that even with quarantine measures. Math is proving him(and the other theorists on this subject) totally and completely wrong. We still have under 100 deaths and we're still under 5,000(don't worry, it's technical enough that I do expect a bump into that territory.)

See, here's what people have to take notice of: It's already in every State. If these theorists were correct, we should be seeing this super surge anyday now. Where they claim scores of millions of us will be affected or tens of thousands.

We're not...seeing that. Either we have the most effective quarantine system in the world(and that hasn't been the talking point), or: To be blunt, we have less viral material than the Chinese or the Italians.

If we have less viral material, there'll logically be less infection compared to those area's.(Since China has its under control, the race to 100,000 has become a major crawl for them.)

 

Can't argue with that, they just said by the end of next week they'll have a comprehensive live update. Right now it's all changed since states started doing their own testing this week so getting accurate data in an timely and accurate fashion is something they're trying get a handle on but that the fast testing and results are paramount currently.

 

I'm sorry, but since you claimed Coronavirus was a bacteria nobody should take you seriously on this, and you should stop posting this nonsense until you become better educated. It's completely irresponsible.

 

Where do you think this curve will be in a month if we don't take decisive action?

 

Argument By Repetition Fallacy.

All of the people dying from COVID-19 have either been elderly, had underlying health conditions, or both.

Doesn't matter how many footnotes an article has nor how many people accept it as an "ok" source.

We'll handle it just fine. It's just the flu.

A 'flue' is a duct in a chimney. We are talking about a 'flu' virus.

And you clearly don't know how the immune system works if you think that we have no resistance to COVID-19.

 

I don't know any people belonging to the group you keep talking about. Not sure just what it is about.