The Dems really lost the rust belt. I would admit that I can't relate to living from paycheck to paycheck as I've been lucky, but it's clear people of all colours are struggling there as they are left behind, while income inequality increases. And people could see the big money donors going Democrat this time. Even if they had gone on to overturn citizens united, it was pretty hypocritical to accept all that cash. But this election did prove something positive; you can win without massive corporate backing and while raising less cash. Bernie might have won, or Biden, but the rot and temptation of all that campaign cash would have still been there. Trump is an unpredictable and corrupt (*)(*)(*)(*)(*)(*)(*), but I would admit that he doesn't really owe much in the way of favors to anyone at this point. His fellow Republicans are a different story. The Democratic party needs to go back to its roots, to the social contract of the New Deal, going to factories and schools to spread their message and proper solutions rather than hauling in vapid celebrity endorsements and cash. They won't loose the college educated or minority vote doing that. Most minorities have the same problems as working whites. If they can manage that, they'll win next time around. Trump knew these people were angry and he masterfully exploited that anger and all the free media attenion he got. He was playing them, not the other way around. And when people have nothing to loose, they take the risky option and throw the grenade. His solutions won't work, i work at a big MNC and the only way we would hire more workers is if they were highly skilled and specialized and as a result far more productive. Training can work, but more than anything the broken school system needs fixing so that local talent can get a proper education. We actually need immigrants as it can be really hard to find good local talent, even in manufacturing. And I'm actually fine with unions, as long as they work as intended, not for the leaders to get fat off themselves.
exactly. Dems would have won no matter who was on top of the ticket in 08. Obama was inexperienced narcissistic brat when he walked into the oval office and seems to have not learned a thing in the last 8 years. As VP he would have had a chance to learn and season. If Trump does nothing more than rip up BO's "executive orders" and replaces the obamacare disaster he will have earned my vote
Precisely. Historically it usually takes between a year and a half to two years for a new president to learn how to marginalize his own ideology for the sake of being president of All of the People, and by the 3rd year mark Barack Obama was still very obviously just a SPOILED and pampered ideological radical with no FEEL or care or concern for people in general. He never stopped being the Saul Alinsky indoctrinated nation-hating RACIST leftwing radical. He never actually learned how to BE president of all the people. He just never did.
Clinton is still ahead in the popular vote. Trump took the college and the election but if a few more people had voted Clinton in a few different states, Clinton would be the sleazeball-elect instead of Trump being the sleazeball-elect. A Democrat without the Clinton legacy and all the scandals around their neck could have gone on to beat him. If anything, the fact that it was Clinton cost them votes instead of gained them votes. Many many people voted against her instead of for Trump, even if they did foolishly decide to vote for Republican Hillary Clinton to protest Democrat Hillary Clinton.
Lame ... because "I voted an idiot only, because he promised to re-take things of Obama and rest no matter" is for sure a smart decision ... even when 2 inches thinking forward will show that he will never be able to hold majority of his silly promises at least, due to be illegal.
Obama took this country backwards. Even if Trump came in and did absolutely nothing it would be an improvement over Obama taking us backwards. But Trump's plan is actually pretty good if people would open their minds and have a look at it. He realistically probably cannot bring all of it to fruition, but even if he can bring parts of it to fruition that would be forward momentum for our country.
I think Bernie Sanders could have won. It's too bad the powers that be were more concerned about nominating a woman rather than someone who could get the job done. I'm not saying a woman can't do the job, just not Hillary. She was an all around horrible person.
Steve Harvey could have won. And if the DNC had ran the McDonald's McRib as Steve Harvey's Vice-President they would have won by a landslide. That's the current state of America.
Pretty much this. These right wing rubes rambling on about the "death of the Democrats" don't seem to realize that Clinton was a very flawed candidate, and yet STILL received more votes than Trump. She lost because she failed to get the same support from certain demographics Obama did in key swing states. I keep repeating this over and over, because it's the truth. If the Dems nominate a viable and appealing candidate in 2020, Trump could easily be booted out of the white house.
I disagree. A white Dem candidate could win, just not Hillary. Hell, Obama even did better with white voters than her. She's just very unappealing. Even Joe "Gaffe" Biden would have done better than her, and possibly defeated Trump, imo. I agree with you on Corey Booker though. Julian Castro is also someone to consider.
From my understanding, more hispanics voted in 2016 compared to 2012 (even though less people voted overall), it's just that slightly less of them supported Clinton compared to Obama.
I think racial minorities are capable of seeing things for themselves. And it's obvious to anyone with an IQ above room temperature that Trump race baited his way to the GOP nomination and presidency. Without it, Jeb Bush would have likely been the GOP nominee, and would have faced off against Clinton in the general.
Stop spreading false information. In 2004, W Bush received more support from blacks than Trump. He also did better with hispanics than Trump as well. I'm sure if I look even further back, it should even further destroy your narrative. I realize that in order to defend the orange oaf you put in office you have to lie/distort the truth. - - - Updated - - - The fact that the left's candidate actually received more votes than the rights pretty much sends this entire post into the trash bin.
Let us pray hard that trump will not be the next Ronald Reagan. At least not when it comes to the economy. For the economic mess you see today, 94 million out of the workforce, a real unemployment rate of close to 22 percent, with job growth being more part time working poor jobs than living wage jobs, has only increased suffering for working and middle class people and this is the real legacy of Reagan. For what was began under his 8 years inevitable gave us what you see today. The complete move to neoliberalism came in with Reagan. And as the FDR economic model was dismantled, things frog boiled their way into Hell. So let us pray he is not another Reagan. .But then he has never really tried to emulate Reagan, thank god. IF Trump tries to do what he laid out for months in his speeches, he will be a hybrid of FDR, Ike, JFK, common sense presidents, with the trump seasoning. For these men would be saying much of what trump is saying today. With more eloquence of course, but still similar things. For instance, trump mentioned getting rid of some regulations that inhibit new businesses. But what some people do not know is that big business gets favorable regulations that serve to keep competition out, by making it too hard to get into the sector. He isn't gonna to allow the dumping of poisons into our creeks and rivers again. But we are overly regulated in certain areas that are nonsense.
I could actually see a Biden/Webb ticket winning conservative white voters who didn't trust/disliked Trump. Plenty of conservatives out there view Trump as a big government liberal. Webb is actually more conservative than Trump.
Many people disagree. Hence why Obama will leave office with much higher approval ratings than the last idiot the GOP voters put in office. Also, the rise of Trump has greatly helped his popularity, and will continue to do so.
Nothing at all to do with my observation. You do understand that many who usually vote Democratic either voted otherwise or abstained, resulting in a surprise upset, right? Thus my statement that dislike for her ran deeper than anyone thought. She expected to win. Quite a few Obama supporters told me prior to the election that they "hated" her (and Trump, also) and would either vote for a third candidate or not at all. And, to be fair, almost all I spoke with who voted for Trump said they'd do it while holding their noses. I went with Johnson/Weld; they were the best ticket - imo - which, of course, counts for nothing.
Jim Webb could have given a better run for it as could have Manchem. Why they selected Clinton even before the first primary is amazing as I said at the time the scandals will just keep mounting and she has no history of success to run on. - - - Updated - - - Sure he's a great talk show host shuck and jiver and people like him as a person. But he will go down as a failed President.
Not a fan of clinton But she had a ton of experience, no one else had more sucess, great name recognician, lots of money and organization, and most people thought her scandals were old news. Imo these are why biden did not jump in earlier Maybe or maybe not Kinda depends on what trump does If he really does make the country great again.... obama will look like a failure If trump has repeated stumbles of arrogance, ill considered comments, policiy failures, broken promises, exploding deficit, collapsing dollar, etc..then . Obama will look like he did well with the difficult problems most presidents face some combination of difficult problems The question will be whether trump lives up to the hype of his campaign And realistically... he has set expectaions pretty high Will we really get tired of winning...?
Remember... the reason Trump won is because he stole MI, WI, and PA which was the Blue firewall Rust belt states. So the real question here is.... which Democrat had a message that could hold on to the firewall. Sanders would have won with the millennials, sure But no way was he going to keep the Rust Belt Blue states. Sanders socialist message doesn't resonate with the working class that wants to.... well.... work! A democratic candidate would need to be more centrist in approach and preach a message of bringing back jobs and de-regulation. I don't know if there was a Democrat running on such a platform
